How to Trust a moderate Muslim?

[ronasch]

If we all just claim to be followers of Planned Parenthood we can murder babies lawfully. Woot nothing wrong wit dat

[Tann]

"How to Trust a moderate Muslim?"

How to trust a pasty waif nerd at any US school these days?

[-TK-]

Don't think that I support any religion; moderate or extreme. Sitting here nit-picking each religion, thinking that one is inherently better than the other, gets nowhere and proves nothing except that they are all flawed and the common problem is really the human psyche. These posts are primarily meant to incite conflict and really shouldn't be here on this forum in the first place.

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by -TK- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't think that I support any religion; moderate or extreme. Sitting here nit-picking each religion, thinking that one is inherently better than the other, gets nowhere and proves nothing except that they are all flawed and the common problem is really the human psyche. These posts are primarily meant to incite conflict and really shouldn't be here on this forum in the first place.

Waaaaa, I don't agree, censorship now. I demand it.

Btw please stop people from using science to debunk global warming too. My Fascism can't take it anymore.

P.S.
Think we're passed inciting conflict, that started around 627 AD

[James_Joyce]

It you think the Quran is sick, just wait until you read some of the creepier quotes in the Talmud and by highly esteemed rabbis with official positions in Israeli society.

[Barkingturtle]

Like any good fantasy writing, religion is escapist at its core. It allows the believer to escape harsh reality, personal accountability, general sanity, etc.. This was sort of quaint for a couple thousand years but for fuck's sake -- it's 2015. Shed your fear and superstition already, for the good of mankind.

To address the OP, I'd say any religious conviction causes me to doubt a person's trustworthiness and credibility and, frankly, their intellect. It's essentially a contagious mental illness -- like hip-hop music or anime. It's certainly not exclusive to Muslims.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like any good fantasy writing, religion is escapist at its core. It allows the believer to escape harsh reality, personal accountability, general sanity, etc.. This was sort of quaint for a couple thousand years but for fuck's sake -- it's 2015. Shed your fear and superstition already, for the good of mankind.

I had asked for your definition of escapist in an earlier post which I deleted. However, I think you are somewhat clear with what you think "escapist" means in your above statement, so I have rewritten my comment. Is religion "escapist" as you define it? I suppose so in a certain respect. For instance, religion does allow its believers to "escape harsh reality." When the Jews were being systematically exterminated by the Nazis, I am certain that the faith of many of them gave them comfort as they entered into the gas chambers. Would you take that away from them?

I am also sure that as early Christians were fed to lions by the Romans that their faith in God gave them comfort against such a "harsh reality." Would you take that from them?

As Christians were getting their heads cut off by ISIS on the shores of North Africa, I am sure their faith gave them comfort. Would you take that away from them?

When a family suffering poverty in many of the ghettos found around the world pray to God for comfort in the time of their distress, I am sure that is a means to "escape." Would you take that away from them?

You see, you come across as a heartless ass when you think you are above the "escapism" all the poor souls below your level of intellect seek comfort in. Chances are that you are simply an arrogant hurting soul looking for answers just like the rest of us.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Chances are that you are simply an arrogant hurting soul looking for answers just like the rest of us.

I don't have a soul. Nobody does. This isn't Narnia or Middle Earth or Cybertron or whatever you fucking whacko. This is Earth.

Anyway, all those scenarios you listed, they're all riddled with false hope. For their sake, I'd rather those people quit praying and instead worked to escape those negative circumstances in a material way, a meaningful way. But if they want to sit around and tell stories to distract themselves from their situation, have at it. They should be honest with themselves, though, and accept that faith is merely masturbation, but done without any real chance of ever achieving orgasm. Now that's just crazy, imho.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a soul. Nobody does. This isn't Narnia or Middle Earth or Cybertron or whatever you fucking whacko. This is Earth.

Anyway, all those scenarios you listed, they're all riddled with false hope. For their sake, I'd rather those people quit praying and instead worked to escape those negative circumstances in a material way, a meaningful way. But if they want to sit around and tell stories to distract themselves from their situation, have at it. They should be honest with themselves, though, and accept that faith is merely masturbation, but done without any real chance of ever achieving orgasm. Now that's just crazy, imho.

OK. You're a narcissist who is also a materialist. So why are you bothering to pop the balloons of everybody else's self-delusions? Why not allow people their "false hope." Does that make you feel uncomfortable that others have hope?

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK. You're a narcissist who is also a materialist. So why are you bothering to pop the balloons of everybody else's self-delusions? Why not allow people their "false hope." Does that make you feel uncomfortable that others have hope?

Your hope is detrimental to progress.

Everyone knows that the utopian Star Trek universe cannot come to pass until humans quit dividing themselves artificially. Quit being a scared idiot, come together and join us in the future.

And there's nothing narcissistic about accepting the natural world and one's place in it. However, there's something insidiously narcissistic about claiming a personal relationship with the creator of the universe, even going so far as to suggest existence was crafted solely to give you a home.