Ninja looting

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by hammbone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Totally get where you're coming from, you're making great points, but you're asking a GM to spend time researching server logs for you? Thought for training you had to provide proof, e.g. FRAPS.

Also, I'd like to think at least one member of Empire, given its notable white knights, would have said something.

as far as i'm aware, it doesn't take very long to retrieve encounter logs

i remember multiple instances of asking for encounter logs and eunomia providing them within a couple of minutes back in kunark

it's also possible for a single melee to get exp on a raid mob depending on how other groups are formed, which melees die during the fight, etc.

it was mostly a precaution, but ultimately the rulings regarding ninja looting tend to support the idea that they don't give a shit unless the person who ninja loots is out of pvp level range

[MasterCaster]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as far as i'm aware, it doesn't take very long to retrieve encounter logs

i remember multiple instances of asking for encounter logs and eunomia providing them within a couple of minutes back in kunark

it's also possible for a single melee to get exp on a raid mob depending on how other groups are formed, which melees die during the fight, etc.

it was mostly a precaution, but ultimately the rulings regarding ninja looting tend to support the idea that they don't give a shit unless the person who ninja loots is out of pvp level range

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[Star]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

someone claimed to be selling a ring of lightning a month into velious, so i asked for encounter logs for the 4 or 5 king tormax kills to see if anyone had looted one without saying anything or didn't give it to the person who was awarded it

he refused and moved it to resolved and told me to manage the guild better

in any case, his stance before has been "if pvp can solve it, GMs don't care"

which also doesn't really make sense, considering training is against the rules

Just threw up in my mouth reading that.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i asked for encounter logs to see if anyone had looted one without saying anything or didn't give it to the person who was awarded it

Won't drop any names. But this wouldn't be a new thing.

On one occasion, a high ranking member cleared a corpse and didn't attempt to distribute the item to the person Gongshow awarded it to until directly questioned about it. Sure its possible he forgot, but hes a serious beard.

Thought it was pretty unprofessional.

Originally Posted by hammbone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, I'd like to think at least one member of Empire, given its notable white knights, would have said something.

Sheer amount of raid hours and raid targets, people get fatigued or apathetic and "accidentally" stuff can disappear every so often.

White knights can't catch it because the person may be authorized to "clear the corpse", or simply clears it on his own accord passively without any groupmates and conveniently won't pay attention to the award called out.

There's definitely some grabby hands too that may be scheming on mini-bosses and not surprised about the RoL who knows how much these grabbers get away with now that I think about it. Probably a few more than just the two examples here, but without Sirken's cooperation it is what it is.

[Jjlent]

True what you do afterwards doesn't matter, but sirken's response could be different towards ur petition because u have a position of power over said ninja looter. Sirken's response to u was like; ur friend stole from u, choose ur friends more wisely. Sirken's response to this scenario *could* be like; u were robbed by a random person after he knew he lost a random but didn't want to give up item, I will take that item and give to whoever won roll

I have no idea what his response will be and wasn't in group, just saw the ooc aftermath and know someone present at the event. I haven't played on p99 for 3 years until past few month so not sure what sort of precedence has been set, just an outsiders perspective

[MasterCaster]

So ninja looting rules are discretional is what I am gathering from all this.

[hammbone]

Originally Posted by MasterCaster [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So ninja looting rules are discretional is what I am gathering from all this.

all rules seem discretionary

[Llandris]

Originally Posted by hammbone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all rules seem discretionary

Have you ever actually read the rules?

[miraclegrow2]

it isn't the gms job to monitor your raid loot, asking that is hilarious.

Ninja looting is very illegal if you do it expect to have the items taken and your account getting a timeout.

Regardless of what trolls type here

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by miraclegrow2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it isn't the gms job to monitor your raid loot, asking that is hilarious.

Ninja looting is very illegal if you do it expect to have the items taken and your account getting a timeout.

Regardless of what trolls type here

so ninja looting is bad but perfectly acceptable in a raid scenario, and asking a GM to look into it isn't their job?