Times like these...

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you obviously are not capable of having a rational debate

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that said, how many times do i have to say the evendince you presented is not valid and fake and you are full of poop

Ah yes, the hallmark of rational debate. Calling someone's "evendince" fake rather than engaging with facts that run counter to your opinion.

And the sources for all of these could be found by a simple google search of the graph's title. Since I'm concerned you might not be able to perform this task properly, here are the links along with information on where the source data came from.

http://wmbriggs.com/post/7031/
The data are from Grant Duwe, director of research and evaluation at the Minnesota Department of Corrections, from his book Mass Murder in the United States: A History, reported by the Washington Post.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44126.pdf
This comes from the Congressional Research Group, which is a non-partisan part of the Library of Congress, whose job it is to collect data for the Congress of the US.

http://crimeresearch.org/2014/06/upd...ing-over-time/
The graph was created by the Crime Prevention Research Center. You can debate the impartiality of this group, but the data comes directly from the National School Safety Center, which is an impartial and non-partisan group. Here is the data source, so that you can confirm the numbers for yourself (not that you'd bother to spend an ounce of energy researching facts that don't conform to your preexisting world view)
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...ZjBjMGY1Yjc3Mw

[iruinedyourday]

no my new thing is not to get into cyclial arguments with people that just ad hominem and provide no evidence for any of their statements.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

post more girl pics

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[iruinedyourday]

get rid of the gun and add more girls i say, and hell throw in one dog why not.

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[Lojik]

I personally don't have guns or have a desire to shoot them, but I think other people owning (legal) guns creates more positive externalities than negative.

[iruinedyourday]

I dont mind people owning guns either, its the like juiced up roided out extreme culture that we have surrounding them that I dont like.

[sOurDieSel]

better watch out or iruinedyourday is going to cry to sirken and 'shut this thread down' rofl

[Lune]

The fact that mass murders are declining isn't all that important. The meaningful figure is the relatively high rate of mass murders in the US compared to our peers... not that it has all that much to do with guns though. I'd blame the excessive individualism, isolation, and alienation inherent in our culture and economy that breeds mental illness and hopelessness, before I'd blame guns.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not that it has all that much to do with guns though. I'd blame the excessive individualism, isolation, and alienation inherent in our culture and economy that breeds mental illness and hopelessness, before I'd blame guns.

I blame gun culture and all the look how awesome guns are! Ninjas of the future shoot machineguns at shit woo fuck yea guns!

Guns should be something we respect not fucking treat like a jet ski.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I blame gun culture and all the look how awesome guns are! Ninjas of the future shoot machineguns at shit woo fuck yea guns!

Guns should be something we respect not fucking treat like a jet ski.

I don't think most mass murderers are gun enthusiasts, though. Some of them are. The Columbine kids were. But I think that was only incidental.

I just can't see how the will to commit a mass murder is in any way tied to gun machismo. I think if you believe gun culture is conducive to mass murder, you'd have to also believe playing violent first person shooters is conducive to mass murder. I've loved Grand Theft Auto my entire life, and I think it's awesome to yank someone out of their car, bust their head open with a machete, and then murder a couple cops and pedestrians in cold blood. Does that mean I have any less respect for cops, pedestrians, and machetes in real life? No. I wouldn't like it if somebody tried to ban my Grand Theft Auto in some rash and ill-advised crusade to stop gun violence, and I think we owe responsible gun enthusiasts the same courtesy.

That's not to say I wouldn't be in favor of requiring a robust licensing process and registration associated with firearm ownership, especially when it's something outrageous like a .50 cal sniper rifle or heavy machine gun. Of course, that's not gonna stop me from making fun of some rednecks, because being a gun nut often goes hand in hand with some other idiosyncracies, like hating the federal government, survivalist fantasies, and libertarianism. I mean, look how quickly a little provocation in this thread was able to summon someone like Nocsucow to brag about how he can't wait to shoot his neighbors. I'm pretty sure Noc would still be a sociopath whether he had a gun or not. Why America seems to produce so many people like him, I'll never know.