One Way trip to mars?

[Jarnin]

Originally Posted by TanDemain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ have always loved that quote...

Indigenous Medicine-men/Shamans have been in communication with terrestrial and extra-terrestrial life since before civilized man even conceived of other life beyond this planet.

Try a mushroom, it's like a ham-radio to the stars.

That's not outer space, that's inner space.

[TanDemain]

Originally Posted by Jarnin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not outer space, that's inner space.

"As above, so below. As within, so without."

[fastboy21]

personally, i wouldn't go. there are lots of folks though that would do so, however.

i am a little envious of the type of person who has so little tie to anything on this planet that it would actually make sense for them to colonize Mars knowing the would never likely return to Earth.

How many of the original colonists to North America were able to return to Europe? The analogy isn't perfect because at least in the 15th century the technology existed to get them home, but how many could actually set out with the mentality of "if things don't work out i'll be back in a year"? I would think most left their friends and families behind thinking that they would most likely never ever see them or the place they were born again.

Is that the human spirit of exploration or just desperation to escape the misery of where they were?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by TanDemain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"As above, so below. As within, so without."

I wish this thread was in RnF.

[Japan]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is that the human spirit of exploration or just desperation to escape the misery of where they were?

one and the same

[stormlord]

No because I don't think I'm strong enough physically or mentally and do not know what I could offer them. I feel that only the most able and most ambitious would be suited for it. I'll be on earth draining healthcare funds in the welfare state or dead before they get things moving on mars.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

personally, i wouldn't go. there are lots of folks though that would do so, however.

i am a little envious of the type of person who has so little tie to anything on this planet that it would actually make sense for them to colonize Mars knowing the would never likely return to Earth.

How many of the original colonists to North America were able to return to Europe? The analogy isn't perfect because at least in the 15th century the technology existed to get them home, but how many could actually set out with the mentality of "if things don't work out i'll be back in a year"? I would think most left their friends and families behind thinking that they would most likely never ever see them or the place they were born again.

Is that the human spirit of exploration or just desperation to escape the misery of where they were?

This occurred to me after I made my first reply. It reminded me of my great grandfather. When he came here it was a leap of faith and he came with very little money. He felt he would never return again when he left but he said goodbye like it was a normal day on that day when he left. But it was not just a game to get opportunity or jobs, it was an adventure too. Everything was new to him and he had to learn a lot. It was hard, but it was new. It was tough at first; lot of moving around. He even jumped trains - got rides for free by sneaking onboard. Mining jobs were tough. He liked doing farms and working in cities because of the stability. He eventually settled down and established himself. Ironically, at the completion of his journeys and his life he wrote that the rough and tumble life of someone who travels is not easy and that once he settled down after a few years he was much more satisfied. The whole idea of it goes against exploration and travel, doesn't it?

And he never went back to finland either. He stayed here. So I think it's very similar.

[stormlord]

Originally Posted by Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why invent FTL when I can just plug myself into the matrix and simulate FTL

Because there's the red pill...

But I'm always a sucker for the blue one. And then.. I'm not in the best of shape either.

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by Jarnin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warp drive isn't going to happen for a long, long time. The amount of energy required to warp spacetime is so great that we'd be better off using that energy to make things better right here in our solar system. That means making places like Luna, Mars, and the big moons of Jupiter and Saturn a bit more friendly to life as we know it; we might not be able to make them exactly like Earth, but we can get them to the point where people can live out their lives.

All our dreams of FTL space travel are at least a thousand years off. Better get comfortable with that idea.

And exactly how much energy does it take to warp space and time? 23 Dilithium crystals? A ZPM? You don't know? Right. That's because no one else even knows if it's possible. And yes, I'm aware of the "bubble" theory, and the jokers who made up that "11th dimension" bullshit conveniently say it will take "millenia" before we have the technology or knowledge to do it. In other words, it's bullshit, and we'll all be dead long before we're smart enough to build the thing. But hey, maybe some Vulcans will help us out.

But I do agree that our resources are best spent in our on backyard with Mars, etc.

[Greyhands]

Ummmm no, if the scientists think its such a great idea why dont they go.....