Game Mechanics: fix charm

[The Situation]

Originally Posted by Steam65641 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think, if you are going to kill the bard AE.. than make a enchanter worthless as well and .. just change the name of it to crackdealer.. Maybe charm is over powered.. but.. what else do they have?.. honestly? they are like the caster version of a ranger without it.

Enchanters still have mez right? Or am I thinking of a different class?

Mez, Haste, & Clarity - if those were the only tools available to an Enchanter they would be MASSIVELY useful to a group.

But again, this isn't about their usefulness or their power or class balance. It's about something being quite obviously broken.

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by Steam65641 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think, if you are going to kill the bard AE.. than make a enchanter worthless as well and .. just change the name of it to crackdealer.. Maybe charm is over powered.. but.. what else do they have?.. honestly? they are like the caster version of a ranger without it.

Chanters were worthless in classic? Really? I think you've never grouped with a good chanter. So sad.

[Finawin]

Enchanters were always glorified buffbots. Always.

[TheDudeAbides]

The only risk came every 15 minutes when the enchanter said "ok, need to recharm pet" and the group would help root it while he re-tashed/charmed.

It's actually every 7 minutes

the mobs still do/can break (If that mob breaks it will kill me fairly quickly and it happens all the time)

its a blue con to a lvl 45. Not 7 lvl'd higher red con

Keep in mind you have to break the softcap on CHA

It's not a permanent charm and we also can't heal out pet like mages and necros can. They burn thru content a lot faster and with more efficiency

[The Situation]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's actually every 7 minutes

the mobs still do/ca break

its a blue con to a lvl 45. Not 7 lvl'd higher red con

Keep in mind you have to break the softcap on CHA

It's not a permanent charm and we also can't heal out pet like mages and necros can. They burn thru content a lot faster and with more efficiency

*inserst Goobles' crying eyes graphic*

[Finawin]

The shitstorm in OOC earlier this morning about charm being "perfect" had me fairly amused.

I'm glad it's being looked into.

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by Finawin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The shitstorm in OOC earlier this morning about charm being "perfect" had me fairly amused.

I'm glad it's being looked into.

Nobody said it's perfect. Do i think it should be looked into in terms of lower lvl chanters being able to charm red mobs? Absolutely, but holding a blue mob with tash in all honesty shouldn't be an issue for an enchanter pushing 225+ CHA.

It's stupid to make these "balance" arguments though when it comes to anything in classic. Back in the classic era chanters were constantly complaining about how worthless and unreliable charm was. Nobody ever really even used it. Only later on did the devs address this. It wasn't necessarily working as intended at release

On raids all we did was keep crack going and mez

Pretty ironic coming from a mage. You can farm and solo better than any class in the game besides necro.

[Dabamf]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back in the classic era chanters were constantly complaining about how worthless and unreliable charm was. Nobody ever really even used it.

There is no other issue. You state yourself charm wasn't really viable in most situations in classic. End of conversation. This server isn't meant to be perfectly balanced, it's meant to replicate classic. If it isn't how it was in classic, it needs to be changed.

Don't get me wrong, I love love love your LDC pet upping total group dps by 50+%, but it's not how it's supposed to be.

[Finawin]

I like that you're trying to compare a mage to an enchanter to support the argument lol

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by Finawin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that you're trying to compare a mage to an enchanter to support the argument lol

I'm not comparing the classes

I just find it amusing that a mage is calling for a nerf. But then again, coming from you it's no surprise.

If you want to tweak the mechanics so that you can't hold a red conned mob, I'm all for that. But if it's nerfed into oblivion where you can't effectively hold a blue con with tash for 7 minutes and you break the completely, then that's stupid as well IMO

But why should I bother to explain this to the guy who cried like a baby when he got his OOC rights taken away by a GM?