Hey Forsaken

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HAY GUISE

WE GOT A 7 DAY SUSPENSION FROM VP

DON'T WORRY THO

WE GET UNBANNED ON MONDAY AND SHIT REPOPS ON TUESDAY

SO LOL JOKES ON THEM

They were 5 day suspensions that were administered outside of mob windows.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They were 5 day suspensions that were administered outside of mob windows.

Jokes on somaht now...

[Misek84]

First off anyone thinking that the move from tmo to forshaken was some conspiracy to move from C to R is delusional. I dont think getting a few "easier" class R kills is worth replacing leadership, wiping DKP, setting up new site, etc. The reason forshaken started in R was becuse they were not sure how many people will move to the new guild and they needed some time to get organized before moving to C (which is the main reason for class R, as a stepping stone to C).

With that said wiping the loot from the first week kills and suspending for an extra 2 weeks, comes to three week penalty. Thats way to harsh considering IB/Ramp never got any extra time when Ramp made kills during IBs suspension.

From my understanding staff would want a competetive raid scene, but thats really hard to do when the guild on top gets slaps on the hand while the guild trying to comp gets harsh penalties for "violations" that were not done on purpose or unknown it was a violation until after. Obviously TMO had issues and the reform was done so that it can stay competitive. By issuing this harsh penalty when forshaken is just trying to reorganize so it can start competing again is bad and leads one to question if staff even wants people to compete against ramp.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

HAY GUISE

WE GOT A 7 DAY SUSPENSION FROM VP

DON'T WORRY THO

WE GET UNBANNED ON MONDAY AND SHIT REPOPS ON TUESDAY

SO LOL JOKES ON THEM

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[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off anyone thinking that the move from tmo to forshaken was some conspiracy to move from C to R is delusional. I dont think getting a few "easier" class R kills is worth replacing leadership, wiping DKP, setting up new site, etc. The reason forshaken started in R was becuse they were not sure how many people will move to the new guild and they needed some time to get organized before moving to C (which is the main reason for class R, as a stepping stone to C).

With that said wiping the loot from the first week kills and suspending for an extra 2 weeks, comes to three week penalty. Thats way to harsh considering IB/Ramp never got any extra time when Ramp made kills during IBs suspension.

From my understanding staff would want a competetive raid scene, but thats really hard to do when the guild on top gets slaps on the hand while the guild trying to comp gets harsh penalties for "violations" that were not done on purpose or unknown it was a violation until after. Obviously TMO had issues and the reform was done so that it can stay competitive. By issuing this harsh penalty when forshaken is just trying to reorganize so it can start competing again is bad and leads one to question if staff even wants people to compete against ramp.

http://www.project1999.com/raid.php

"Demotion from Class C to Class R may only be done at the approval of the Server Staff."

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Herp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the record, <Forsaken> officers and members were warned several times that killing class R mobs is a bad idea.

The draw of shitting all over as many people as possible, starting with their forever enemies Anonymous, proved too strong for them.

/douches gonna douche

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by B4EQWASCOOL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jokes on somaht now...

I said 7 when it was really 5, oh, woe is me. I think this deserves an unrelated GIF.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off anyone thinking that the move from tmo to forshaken was some conspiracy to move from C to R is delusional. I dont think getting a few "easier" class R kills is worth replacing leadership, wiping DKP, setting up new site, etc. The reason forshaken started in R was becuse they were not sure how many people will move to the new guild and they needed some time to get organized before moving to C (which is the main reason for class R, as a stepping stone to C).

With that said wiping the loot from the first week kills and suspending for an extra 2 weeks, comes to three week penalty. Thats way to harsh considering IB/Ramp never got any extra time when Ramp made kills during IBs suspension.

From my understanding staff would want a competetive raid scene, but thats really hard to do when the guild on top gets slaps on the hand while the guild trying to comp gets harsh penalties for "violations" that were not done on purpose or unknown it was a violation until after. Obviously TMO had issues and the reform was done so that it can stay competitive. By issuing this harsh penalty when forshaken is just trying to reorganize so it can start competing again is bad and leads one to question if staff even wants people to compete against ramp.

I don't think that's a fair assessment at all.

Yes, it was a circumvention of the class tiers. Rogean recognized that pretty quickly.

Rampage did serve some of IB's punishment. I don't know all the details so I can't give you an informed opinion if that punishment was fair and balanced. Rampage also stayed in class C the entire time so it's apples to oranges.

Changing your name and keeping 93% of the same roster doesn't mean you're a new guild. If they really wanted to test the waters they could have waited 30 days to cool down like we did. FFS they even got to keep a portion of the TMO dkp. Forsaken knew what they were doing and they got popped. That's on them.

I think the staff wants some sort of competiton, but when penalties aren't enforced equally and logically it makes people feel like there's an unfair advantage, and this balance of power changes periodically. It wasn't too long ago that IB left for eqmac because they thought Amelinda would never give them a fair shake (RMTing off all their loot in the process)

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The draw of shitting all over as many people as possible, starting with their forever enemies Anonymous, proved too strong for them.

/douches gonna douche

Are they forever enemies? I heard that they were actively courting anonymous to get absorbed at one point or another by letting them tag along to FFA encounters.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Misek84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By issuing this harsh penalty when forshaken is just trying to reorganize so it can start competing again is bad and leads one to question if staff even wants people to compete against ramp.

Velious launch would go much smoother with just one "competitive" guild. Isn't that what you, Hoku, and Rogean discussed over dinner, Unbrella? TMO / Rampage merger never happened so incoming sanctions. I don't have any vested in how any of this goes anymore, but it's sad to see my old guild getting kicked while they are down. Almost makes you wanna quit, huh? Maybe that's the point.