so much litigationquest recently

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you sound like you only bring a bad attitude to the table

"sounding like" and "being" are 2 distinct things. He is right, the mentality that "just be thankful this even exists" doesn't bring anything to the table that everyone isn't already very aware of. The reason you don't see this board empty is because people still think the use of discussion can make this box better. If you view rational discussion as people being "unthankful" then maybe you shouldn't engage in it. Simply put, the "be thankful it even exists" mentality tables a lot of problems, but it also tables any opportunity for any advancements that are not from a place of " being unthankful" to begin with.

Example: "You think p99 staff should have to offer raid supervision and rulings? You should just be thankful you can raid!"

Result: No GM rulings, no sense of accountability instilled. The raid scene is worse off and no one has a raid scene to be even be thankful for. Great.

Conclusion: be thankful, but don't think voicing an opinion in a rational manner constitutes not being thankful. You can still be thankful and voice an opinion that this server is run by a bunch of idiots or a bunch of genius. The distinction is made when you have a possible solution to your problem that you couple it with. Your "just be thankful" mentality offers no solutions, or possibility of fixing things beyond the state they were created.

Finally, the assumption that the staff were drafted or compelled/coerced into their positions. This is a volunteer position, they wanted to be where they are, the idea that they "give up" free time isn't true in the sense you portray it. They gave up that portion of their free time when they applied for the position, and they are free to take it back the minute they don't feel it was necessary. No one has Sirken chained up and is shocking him with a cattle prod until he gets back to the keyboard to "give up" more free time, stop acting like it.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Conclusion: be thankful, but don't think voicing an opinion in a rational manner constitutes not being thankful. You can still be thankful and voice an opinion that this server is run by a bunch of idiots or a bunch of genius.

thats what my post was smh

you guys have your panties in such a bunch you cant concentrate on anything but your own rage.

nowhere did I say just be thankfull.. i was calling out that because of the good treatment, and solid server, we feel that we can /petition pretty much anything.

Its a cause and effect thing I was posting about.

Not how to perform.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats what my post was smh

you guys have your panties in such a bunch you cant concentrate on anything but your own rage.

nowhere did I say just be thankfull.. i was calling out that because of the good treatment, and solid server, we feel that we can /petition pretty much anything.

Its a cause and effect thing I was posting about.

Not how to perform.

You post I quoted and was a response to this quote below but only a small part was directed at you.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you sound like you only bring a bad attitude to the table

I did not address anything you had said beyond what is contained in this quote, more of the general spirit of "be thankful it exists" argument. If it looks like my entire post was directed at you, I'm sorry it wasn't made to look that way. I notice now I was freely using the 'your' and I can see how that could be misunderstood as in 'you the person I quoted.' Meant it more in the sense of 'you the person who is reading this and holds the thankful argument dear.'


I agree with your sentiment that it is a good thing that we feel a petition can be or will be read.

[Eunomia]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one has Sirken chained up and is shocking him with a cattle prod until he gets back to the keyboard to "give up" more free time, stop acting like it.

That's what you think...

[knix]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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No one has Sirken chained up and is shocking him with a cattle prod until he gets back to the keyboard.

Originally Posted by Eunomia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what you think...

Eunomia can I have a turn next week, I have a bit of rage I need to work out.

[Littlestgnome]

I've experienced this a handful of times already since coming back to the server roughly a month ago. I think what it boils down to is that despite the Play Nice Policy presumably in effect here, many people are willing to roll the dice on the matter. Not necessarily because they think they'll end up winning, rather because they frequently will end up not losing anything.

[lecompte]

I thought that was Friday nights?

Tuesday nights is melted wax.

[Pringles]

I wonder what the % is of the those that complain about this free server / its staff actually donate to the server to keep it running. I would be willing to bet its less than 10%.