The problem with a "zerg" guild, and the challenge before us

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by Rednaros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya basically on point with Salt....server easily a step from thriving, just need a competent guild leader to unite fresh friends curse and azrael, or bring back Nizzar.
Holocaust is not undefeatable and Gongshow has said many times that when Velious comes out..anyone who isnt 60 gets kicked. You guys need someone to unite you guys, if you want my opinion Elemtal os the best option even though hes a cry baby, curse and fresh have already been seen working together which is a good sign, just need the other guilds to push their ego aside.

so that only leaves holocaust with what, 90 players instead of 120 on launch? lol

[Rednaros]

Fresh can field 30, Azrael can field 25, Curse can field 10 ish, Friends can field.10, thats atleast a garunteed force of 70..its just guilds wont put their egos asides and would rather bitch abiut not having dragon pvp when its right in front of their face

[Agatha]

it's not ego's, some legit shit has happened between eachother that ego aside is fucked up. and why it will never happen.

account stripping is one of them, azrael is easily in the best position but it has scared myself included away from joining due to the inconsistency of the playerbase within, fresh is from what i have seen doomed to be a feeder guild for holocaust(the core players there are great, good people,fresh that is), azrael will never regain the skilled pvpers/shit maker happeners due to the last 16 fails.

This isnt a knock at anyones guild, azrael has awesome people in it lites a great guy, fresh has awesome people in it max is a great guy, even (gasp) the zerg holocaust 99% good people.

in order for what you to say to work would not be a merge, it would have to be a complete disolvement of each guild and its structure, no more max as leader, no more lite as leader, but thats not going to happen.

[heartbrand]

Being a leader blows on this box. I'm sure people are just dying to step up and try to work with max / lite / friends. It ain't happening. C u in sleepers.

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being a leader blows on this box. I'm sure people are just dying to step up and try to work with max / lite / friends. It ain't happening. C u in sleepers.

^sarcasm but even heartbrand gets it. this is the simple truth.

also, as far as the most toxic guild on this server, goes by far to friends, spliting from azrael after getting the loot because the only two people brobb and sektor who PL and make groups are in the guild. rofl.

[heartbrand]

There aren't enough people interested in PvE progression to recruit into a guild capable of contesting holocaust on a routine basis. Because of this any leader in order to not bleed members to holocaust would need to do some sort of alliance with max / lite / curse / friends. I don't know much about the curse, but lite and max are psycopaths who will sabatoge their own progression over elf sim grudges, and friends has no interest in contesting raid pvp.

[Pikrib]

You think people would have realized by now that Holocaust doesn't want mass dragon pvp. They never did. God forbid another guild recruited 70 people to contest Holo then Holo would mass recruit another 40 so they could ensure no mass pvp and free dragons.

Thats fine thats the way they want to play the game. I don't blame Holo for wanting easy pixels, but don't bring 70 people to slay dragons and expect competition when < 30 are required. The overwhelming force is there to prevent pvp.

These posts are just really bad trolls, and I would rather post about Tiggles and Taunto love spat. Thats some /popcorn shit and this topic is old and worn out.

[Zalaerian]

Time will tell but I assume history will repeat itself. The top progressing will always be on the offensive to kill raid targets. The other will try to stop them but at the cost of using their time the essentially play defense. Doing so they will be faced with decisions of 1) do we stop top guild from getting pixels for a few hours or 2) use that time to raid unharrased themselves. Dragons will die to the top guild, that is inevitable. It just whether it will be at prime time or 2am. The more the other guilds play defense, the more they fall behind the gearing game. The more they raid other other targets for gear, the faster the other guild gears.

Pick your poison

[Grizzler]

Well from a new players perspective, based on everything said here and in other posts, mine included, it really seems like a new player has 2 options. Either join one of the smaller guilds, get some loot content but have to claw, dig and fight hard as hell for it OR join holo and get free pixels (as long as requirements r met of course).

I can kinda see why some folks may just do the latter out of ease. However I would have to say that it is disconcerting that some of these smaller guilds won't or can't find even ground to either merge into 1 guild or at least make an alliance to try and compete for those other high value targets.

When it comes to myself, I'm some what of a masochist (christ, I play EQ) so I would probably still look for a smaller guild to attempt to combat the perceived "zerg" guild but I really can't help but say that all the guilds are perpetuating the server stigma.

As long as the smaller guilds keep holding onto their "ego's" and not working together to combat the larger guild, they can't blame anyone but themselves if they don't see content. If you can't put out the same amount of players or kill the targets, than you have no reason to have a "ego" in the first place. You have 2 options either out recruit or merge with someone else. Since the pop isn't the highest on red I would wager that recruitment isn't going to be your bread and butter but I'm a new guy, so what do I know. So that leaves the first option, if that's off the table than you might as well stfu cause your being your own Achilles heal. (see what I did there?)

Originally Posted by Slowride [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am pretty stoked about uthguard.. DAOC is one game I never got to try.

Glad I'm not the only one, wish we had a date.

[Agatha]

thats also true, they would just pixel package snipe your members away with promises of loots they dont even need. just like what nizzar did, oh trak bp's and VS legs? got 100s of them, start offering them to azrael members lol, and sure enough one by one azrael members hopped on over.