Class defining epic

[Ravager]

Druid for Spring and Autumn cleanups.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also in raiding scenarios your epic bards are always going to get the MT and melee DPS groups while the non-epic bards will be with the casters, since not having an epic doesn't change what they can bring to a caster group but an epic bard significantly impacts and melee and MT group.

Can't really think of another class where their role in a raid group literally hinges on having an epic or not.

THAT makes sense to me. Thank you. Ya, I was innocently wondering what is the difference between a bard with an epic in Kunark compared to Velious, but I wasn't completely finished with my question.

This helps me understand the fundamental difference, better.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The quesation isnt what epic changes RAIDING more than any other epic, it asks what is the most clsas defining epic.

99% of the game is not raiding, 100% of the gameplay is changed with an epic on a shaman. There for the shaman epic is the most drastic change to gameplay you will find in EQ hands down.

The gameplay isn't changed though, you're just more mana efficient. Shaman would still be root rotting 8+ mobs if they had the natural efficiency to do so. Plus, its efficient for soloing only; Epic vs Non-epic rogue is night vs day for soloing/grouping/raiding/tunnelquesting.

Bard is fundamentally changed by their epic.

Cleric's epic changes the game in groups and raids-- like someone else said, you go from wipe and scoot to wipe and another attempt.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The gameplay isn't changed though, you're just more mana efficient. Shaman would still be root rotting 8+ mobs if they had the natural efficiency to do so. Plus, its efficient for soloing only; Epic vs Non-epic rogue is night vs day for soloing/grouping/raiding/tunnelquesting.

Bard is fundamentally changed in your options by their epic. Clerics epic changes the game in groups and raids--like someone else said, you go from wipe and scoot to wipe and another attempt.

Whoah you think being able to click rez instead of cast it, is more of a change than being able to rot 1 mob inefficiently to being able to handle any and all group exp camps, by yourself?

Name me one epic that allows you to go from an inefficient strategy into one that can easily solo any groupable content.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoah you think being able to click rez instead of cast it, is more of a change than being able to rot 1 mob inefficiently to being able to handle any and all group exp camps, by yourself?

Name me one epic that allows you to go from an inefficient strategy into one that can easily solo any group able content.

I'd put Shaman near the top in the #4 position I posted earlier, next to Ranger's Swiftwind and Warrior's Blade of Strategy. No guild or group really cares if you have your Shaman epic. Clerics though.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoah you think being able to click rez instead of cast it, is more of a change than being able to rot 1 mob inefficiently to being able to handle any and all group exp camps, by yourself?

Name me one epic that allows you to go from an inefficient strategy into one that can easily solo any groupable content.

Soloing group content isn't 100% of the game.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, the shaman epic is really only useful in solo / leveling scenarios. On raids the effect is essentially useless and in a group situation you'd need to have stunningly bad dps for its long duration and low dps start to have any real impact.

Definitely a good epic, but far more situational than the bards.

That's not true really. In a group using root CC any DoT class boosts your kill rate by softening up the rooted mobs, and a manafree DoT with solid net damage is nice. The real reason is that so few epic shamans can be bothered to group in the first place. (I know if I had a shaman he'd become my goto solo toon the second he got his epic.)

[dafier]

Originally Posted by nuuki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you guys say is the most impactful epic in the game and why?
What do you guys think?

I think that was why I asked my question. I am not trying to be a smart ass.

People mentioned Bard epic having the most impact, and my question is why? What's the difference of the Bard epic now, in Kunark, compared to Velious, and why does it impact the game the most (making it the #1 choice answer for some people on this thread)?

[Ele]

I wish the thread starter would pick a question for us to answer:

Title: Class defining epic
Quest in OP: most impactful epic
Later in thread: which epic changes the class fundamentally

[zanderklocke]

If you have the sky horn, swap that in for epic during McVaxius cast for rogue or tank group for more DS and DPS. Mmm.