"Recycle Server" please sooner than "months into velious"!! - Page 4

Daldaen · #31 04-07-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So am I understanding this right? There's a temporary progression server and it eventually dumps back into blue? That sounds horrible for blue server health, which isn't all that good as it is. Would so much rather see one progression server that goes on forever with a proper timeline.

What is bad? Are you concerned about legacy items? Or two servers with two sets of dragons dropping loot that will eventually merge in?

That temporary server would run for 2.75 years, from March 99 to December 01, then merge in. It would follow the proper timeline... Then merge into our current server which would be another 3-4 years into Velious at that point.

Cecily · #32 04-07-2015, 08:18 AM

Among other things, yes. I think blue server is currently an overcrowded train wreck due to a 90% level 60 population (and their alts with alts) which itself is a result of a stagnant Kunark timeline. Adding additional guilds worth of more maxed level raiders to blue isn't going to help anything. A minor concern next to a potentially healthy new community getting sent back to this dysfunctional server.

Agecroft · #33 04-07-2015, 08:25 AM

Cant wait!

Monty405 · #34 04-07-2015, 08:46 AM

I am way more excited about this server rotation thing. I hope the devs realize how excited the community actually is about it. I am pretty new to p1999 (2 months now) and being able to go from 1-60 with other people in the same boat as me would be great. Not to mention I never experienced pre-Kunark EQ ever before!

Daldaen · #35 04-07-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Among other things, yes. I think blue server is currently an overcrowded train wreck due to a 90% level 60 population (and their alts with alts) which itself is a result of a stagnant Kunark timeline. Adding additional guilds worth of more maxed level raiders to blue isn't going to help anything. A minor concern next to a potentially healthy new community getting sent back to this dysfunctional server.

You're being too short sighted.

You have no idea what the server will look like in 3 years. I'm sure there will be a ton of 60s, but who knows how many from the recycle will stick around or who will reroll on recycle 2.0.

That new community would get stagnated after it completes its lifecycle if kept in perpetual Velious just like we were in perpetual Kunark. It would lead to ridiculous numbers of 60s with Max gear. So that part is inevitable. Just merging them into the existing blue server 3 years down the line isn't trhe end of the world. It may even refill a population that may have quit after 3 years of Velious when they know there is no new content and nothing new to do.

fastboy21 · #36 04-07-2015, 08:57 AM

You do realize that the eventual "dump" of characters from the new blue server (I like calling it "Re99") into the p99 original server would be about 4 years away from now?

Is the concern:
1) that the re99 population will siphon people from p99?

Or, is the concern

2) that folks will get moved (in four years...) into your play pen and upset you because you already have a hard time sharing with the other kids?

Concern 1 is very valid. Trying to predict the population on emu server years down the line is anybody's best guess. It is certainly possible and likely imo that a significant number of players on p99 would leave p99 to play on re99. I don't think it would injure the stability of the server and in the long run it will add fresh air and life back into a static server post-velious release.

Also, it should be noted that the devs basically said that folks would be allowed to play on both p99 and re99 at the same time on the same account, as p99ers can do on red currently.

Concern 2 is just EQ baby bull crap. Maybe four years from now you will have grown up enough for this sort of thing not to bother you.

Cecily · #37 04-07-2015, 09:43 AM

I am just in favor of a fresh start server that won't be subjected to joining blue99 ever. Blue99 is essentially a beta for this project. The conditions that developed during this never ending Kunark (a very boring expansion to be stuck in) aren't necessarily doomed to repeat themselves or even likely to, at least not for a very long time. I don't like how this server turned out. I have big hopes for the future progression server and no interest in returning to blue. Sorry if that sounds childish?

Duncon · #38 04-07-2015, 09:48 AM

Nothing to be immediately concerned about of course, but what happens to your 8 p99 toons when your 8 re99 toons get dumped into p99? I suppose separate accounts is a must.

fastboy21 · #39 04-07-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am just in favor of a fresh start server that won't be subjected to joining blue99 ever. Blue99 is essentially a beta for this project. The conditions that developed during this never ending Kunark (a very boring expansion to be stuck in) aren't necessarily doomed to repeat themselves or even likely to, at least not for a very long time. I don't like how this server turned out. I have big hopes for the future progression server and no interest in returning to blue. Sorry if that sounds childish?

There is nothing childish about it.

This is good thinking, and I agree with you. The problem is that the solution (wiping the server) has been explicitly taken off the table by the owners of p99. Holding to it as a solution is honest, but if its not a possibility it is a pragmatic waste basket to keep asking for it as a solution.

So, what is the next best thing? The recycle idea, in practice, will allow players to vote with their feet (is your "main" going to be p99 or re99?). In the end, I think most will go to re99...effectively this will make p99 a ghost town with the vibrant community living on the recycle server. This is almost as good, and in practice very similar to, as a wipe.

I do wish that the re99 server was in the works already. It could have saved the server from five years of static kunark. I also hope they don't hold it for too long into velious...

fastboy21 · #40 04-07-2015, 10:06 AM

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Nothing to be immediately concerned about of course, but what happens to your 8 p99 toons when your 8 re99 toons get dumped into p99? I suppose separate accounts is a must.

I don't know if its a limitation of the client, but I've always wondered why they limit the max chars per account at all here. It is only very confusing for players to keep multiple accounts and allows them the possibility of running scams, etc.

I've always thought it would be a good idea to have all chars on one account rather than encourage folks to make multiple accounts.