Shaman race debate

[DrKvothe]

Put as many points as you can at start into stamina, then the rest into wis. This isn't one of two equal answers, it's the right one.

The question of races has two right answers: troll and ogre. Iksar is basically troll but with much, much lower stats and severely limited gear access at the high end until velious. At 60 and with torpor (which is really, really expensive, you don't just automatically get torpor when you hit 60), the troll regen bonus is pretty negligible. There's considerable debate over how valuable frontal stun immunity is at 60, and answers range from very negligible to very important.

But hitting 60 and raising the money for torpor is not easy. It's very likely, even probable, that you won't reach 60. I mean you didn't on your enchanter, right? All the way up until having torpor, it's pretty well agreed upon that racial regen > frontal stun immunity. And as a 60 shaman with torpor, you're gonna be a bad ass mofo with or without frontal stun immunity. The hard part is getting there. That's why I'd roll troll.

Farm up a bit more cash with your enchanter and twink out your shaman a bit. 5/55 rings and a good weapon are pretty game-changing from 1-34.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Put as many points as you can at start into stamina, then the rest into wis. This isn't one of two equal answers, it's the right one.

Can you explain why? The Wis vs. Sta section of the wiki seems to break down everything mathematically and show that the case for WIS is pretty strong.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Shaman

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you explain why? The Wis vs. Sta section of the wiki seems to break down everything mathematically and show that the case for WIS is pretty strong.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Shaman

i can't think of a single class where the wiki suggestions are actually the most optimal setup...

[DrKvothe]

Yes, blackcamel has pointed out that I have a barb shaman as my main on blue. But I also have a troll shaman on red, and I gotta say the racial regen is HUGE while leveling.

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you explain why? The Wis vs. Sta section of the wiki seems to break down everything mathematically and show that the case for WIS is pretty strong.

http://wiki.project1999.com/Shaman

Your mana pool just doesn't mean that much. We don't do anything equivalent to quad'ing, where you need a big mana pool to finish. For us it's all about mana over time, and wisdom doesn't help with that.

Wanting hp only tangentially has to do with mana over time; regen + canni is our mana regen booster, and while more hp doesn't make canni more effective, it IS important because you'll always almost be missing a large chunk of your hp from canni. You'll also be taking hits regularly, either from slowing or root breaks, and you need to be able to survive those hits despite missing the hp you canni'd.

Note that iksar base stam is terrible.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the troll regen bonus is pretty negligible.

Not true, troll/iksar regen at 60 is OP versus other races [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not true, troll/iksar regen at 60 is OP versus other races [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to be fair at 60 i stoped relying on regen for anything other than, meh, ill just regen that last bit of 10% hp....

Regen is wholy overrated at 60 IMO that is unless you dont have torp.

[BlkCamel]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Put as many points as you can at start into stamina, then the rest into wis. This isn't one of two equal answers, it's the right one.

The question of races has two right answers: troll and ogre. Iksar is basically troll but with much, much lower stats and severely limited gear access at the high end until velious. At 60 and with torpor (which is really, really expensive, you don't just automatically get torpor when you hit 60), the troll regen bonus is pretty negligible. There's considerable debate over how valuable frontal stun immunity is at 60, and answers range from very negligible to very important.

But hitting 60 and raising the money for torpor is not easy. It's very likely, even probable, that you won't reach 60. I mean you didn't on your enchanter, right? All the way up until having torpor, it's pretty well agreed upon that racial regen > frontal stun immunity. And as a 60 shaman with torpor, you're gonna be a bad ass mofo with or without frontal stun immunity. The hard part is getting there. That's why I'd roll troll.

Farm up a bit more cash with your enchanter and twink out your shaman a bit. 5/55 rings and a good weapon are pretty game-changing from 1-34.

This really is the best advice, DrKvothe doesn't have one incorrect statement in this post. As others have stated (even as me being Ogre) Troll is best overall Shaman (Raid/Group) and Ogre is best Solo'er/Slower. Unless you have specific goals for your Shaman, should go Troll (Again even though I am a proponent of Ogre).[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[BlkCamel]

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[DevGrousis]

Originally Posted by BlkCamel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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reading your guide is what made me start to even THINK about an evil shammy haha I was dead set on a Barb and then I read your guide and began thinking of all the cool shammy evilness there was to be had!

[Cecily]

I redid the rogue suggestions. They were bad... lol. Someone was saying dex / str or something awful.