Let's talk about natural progression here.

[FadedVision]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling for an end to 'greed' so that you can get something while taking from others when nobody loses under the current system. That's not greedy? If not, it is still malignant in one form or another. I don't think that is your intent though after having talked with you and hope you find time to think it over. ^^

I really am enjoying the fact that you see an equal footing on someone getting their epic fairly vs. someone getting an epic handed to them at level 1 for plat. It is greedy to seek an epic through natural progression because it takes 25k away from someone who can't start the game naturally. Perhaps there are different levels of greed. I am greedy and a MQ is gluttonous and as a matter of a fact.... it actually stops people from naturally progressing. I believe that it is actually easier to get 25k and buy an epic than it is to do the epic quest. If you believe that is working as intended then you need to take off the rose colored glasses.

We have a difference of opinion and it shows a separation of philosophy between you and I. I do not see an equivalency in the slightest bit.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't stop there! Elaborate ^^ Who cannot obtain an epic under the current system? Hmmm?

People who are unwilling to step into the neck deep steaming pile that is the P99 raid scene, obviously.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by FadedVision [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have a difference of opinion and it shows a separation of philosophy between you and I. I do not see an equivalency in the slightest bit.

We may, but that should not prevent us from reaching agreement. That is after all the spirit of debate and I would be willing to abandon my views if you substantiated yours. Thus far you have labeled things and given your opinion of what should be, but have not said why. If you don't have a reason that is fine too; just don't expect to persuade many :/

The simple case for MQ is this:
1. Affords access to epics to all players given comparable investment
2. Multiple players benefit directly
3. Affords characters alternative sources of revenue, easing other camp congestion.

[Thatt]

Always amuses me how people will argue about what's wrong and what's right when neither are relevant on P99. The only thing relevant is what's classic. MQ is horse shit in my opinion, but my opinion doesn't matter any more than yours.. mq is classic.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People who are unwilling to step into the neck deep steaming pile that is the P99 raid scene, obviously.

What does that have to do with MQs though? I don't raid and can benefit just the same as someone who does. In fact without MQ those who don't raid would be worse off.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Thatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always amuses me how people will argue about what's wrong and what's right when neither are relevant on P99. The only thing relevant is what's classic. ...., but my opinion doesn't matter any more than yours.. mq is classic.

This I agree with ^^

[toolshed]

Ban MQs

MQs facilitate poopsocking of content that should be available to people leveling up for the first time on the server. By allowing MQs, the admins are allowing behavior that they are trying to discourage in the raid scene; instead of poopsocking the raid scene, people are poopsocking casual content and this is effecting casual players.

[Swish]

Relevant or not relevant, the communities on live didn't climb over each other to get MQs during Kunark.

Be a pal and let the guy on his epic quest complete his part before you do your MQ.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ban MQs

MQs facilitate poopsocking of content that should be available to people leveling up for the first time on the server. By allowing MQs, the admins are allowing behavior that they are trying to discourage in the raid scene; instead of poopsocking the raid scene, people are poopsocking casual content and this is effecting casual players.

Some of the same people locking down MQs would then just become mercenaries and sell the looting rights or let it rot if people didn't want to pay.

[beyondinfin]

Ya just can't beat fat, lazy, greedy, sad man children. This is what p99 end game taught me.