Trio help: Enc & Nec & _____

[Duckwalk]

Some of the most OP duos in the game are enc clr and enc shm. A Necro complements either of those.

Shm for better mana regen, slows, sow, and brokenness once fully geared (expensive). Clr for CH on charm pets, better control on charm breaks (stuns) and arguable better group foundation.

Druid should be a distant 3rd.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of the most OP duos in the game are enc clr and enc shm. A Necro complements either of those.

Shm for better mana regen, slows, sow, and brokenness once fully geared (expensive). Clr for CH on charm pets, better control on charm breaks (stuns) and arguable better group foundation.

Druid should be a distant 3rd.

It really depends on what level they are... Shaman are amazing at 60 decked out in epic/torpor/fungi, but aren't as hot leveling up. Druids (like Necros) suffer as they are Utility classes and become "diluted" as you add more group members, but they are very efficient solo/duo/trio'ing. I'd call Shaman a Utility class too, but one who's utilities are already covered by Necro+Ench.

There was a thread a few weeks ago asking about Ench/Sham and the general consensus was that Ench/Sham are amazing together end-game but Meh until then. That's probably months and ~200k+ away.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=178742

I don't think adding Necro to the mix makes Shaman look any better. But, like I said, it depends where OP and his friends are at right now.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really depends on what level they are... Shaman are amazing at 60 decked out in epic/torpor/fungi, but aren't as hot leveling up. Druids (like Necros) suffer as they are Utility classes and become "diluted" as you add more group members, but they are very efficient solo/duo/trio'ing.

There was a thread a few weeks ago asking about Ench/Sham and the general consensus was that Ench/Sham are amazing together end-game but Meh until then. That's probably months and ~200k+ away.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=178742

I don't think adding Necro to the mix makes Shaman look any better. But, like I said, it depends where OP and his friends are at right now.

Compared to a a druid, a necro is going to add more efficient off heals/tapping, more common charm pets or summoned pet dmg and best in game mana regen to facilitate all their spells. Basically the only thing you get by going druid are thorns and ports which are common and cheap.

Since they are already set on enc and nec, this shifts the focus to whether they should pick clr or shm, as you yourself have recognized that enc clr or enc shm are the consensus most OP duos. Druid would be far distant third.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since they are already set on enc and nec,

I believe this is the point that he was emphasizing at the end there, since enc/sham are not fabulous until leveled and geared, enc/nec(OP's setup) is benefitted no better.

This all of course depends on the OP's goal. They may never even see 60. That aside while both enc and sham can be incredibly powerful at end game their play styles do not necessarily compliment on another. Cleric would best compliment an enchanter for endgame farming, but we are not talking about a duo, we are discussing a trio and not a max level, geared trio either.

Your advice is sound, but so was his. It all just needs to be viewed in the context in which it was given.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe this is the point that he was emphasizing at the end there, since enc/sham are not fabulous until leveled and geared, enc/nec(OP's setup) is benefitted no better.

This all of course depends on the OP's goal. They may never even see 60. That aside while both enc and sham can be incredibly powerful at end game their play styles do not necessarily compliment on another. Cleric would best compliment an enchanter for endgame farming, but we are not talking about a duo, we are discussing a trio and not a max level, geared trio either.

Your advice is sound, but so was his. It all just needs to be viewed in the context in which it was given.

Yes, and my point was that a most of a druid's abilities are going already be covered by the necro and therefore it adds even less to the group than shm or clr.

And as far as synergizing, a shm will make better use of the necros health regen than a cleric.

Any melee class will generally be inferior to the charming/root rotting/fear kiting that they are already capable of thus:

Shm for better slows, mana regen, sow, general dps, and OPness once geared and 60.
Clr for CH, charm control, and arguable better group foundation.

[Lictor]

Shaman or cleric, whatever your buddy wants to play. You will not always be outdoors or at a location to charm animal. Also, leveling outdoors gets old pretty quick and finding ports on blue is easy.

As previously mentioned, a shaman will suck the plat from the trio. Having duoed a shaman up with a melee partner on both of our first characters, the shaman ate the lion's share of the cash.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by Duckwalk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and my point was that a most of a druid's abilities are going already be covered by the necro and therefore it adds even less to the group than shm or clr.

And as far as synergizing, a shm will make better use of the necros health regen than a cleric.

Any melee class will generally be inferior to the charming/root rotting/fear kiting that they are already capable of thus:

Shm for better slows, mana regen, sow, general dps, and OPness once geared and 60.
Clr for CH, charm control, and arguable better group foundation.

My point was basically that the Opportunity Cost of playing a Druid vs Cleric/Shaman comes down to what they're doing. If they're just having fun, not seriously farming plat camps, or don't even intend on hitting 60, that Druid is going to serve them better.

If they want to seriously "enjoy" (HAH) 60 then Cleric or Shaman would do better, and at that I think Cleric is better since it doesn't take 200k in gear to make a cleric shine.

I totally agree with you that at 60/geared to hell that Ench/Sham/Necro would be amazing, and that they all synergize very well--but I don't think that's where OP is or is heading.

..I also think Cleric and (especially low level/under-geared) Shaman are abysmally boring to play.

...Basically the only thing you get by going druid are thorns and ports which are common and cheap.

Druid is a very under appreciated class, so I don't doubt that this is how most people feel. It's wrong, but that's mostly all the lazy Druids' fault.

[Duckwalk]

Majority of shm cost and twinking will be in the form of some kind of regen item as you won't be concerned with JBB or torpor till later lvls.

At level 20, a necro can provide 3.3 health/sec over 24 seconds.
At level 44, a necro can provide 13.5 health/sec over 24 seconds.
At level 54, a necro can provide 20.8 health/sec over 24 seconds.

All for the cost of 30 mana total and 20/85/125 health per cast. This gives them some of the most efficient heals/mana in the game allowing a shaman to fully exploit his canni line of spells for maximum mana regen.

And for the record, the regen on Rubicite BP, Ceremonial Iksar, and Fungi is 3/5/15.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point was basically that the Opportunity Cost of playing a Druid vs Cleric/Shaman comes down to what they're doing. If they're just having fun, not seriously farming plat camps, or even intend on hitting 60, that Druid is going to serve them better.

If they want to seriously "enjoy" 60 (HAH) then Cleric or Shaman would do better, and at that I think Cleric is better since it doesn't take 200k in gear to make a cleric shine.

I totally agree with you that at 60/geared to hell that Ench/Sham/Necro would be amazing, and that they all synergize very well--but I don't think that's where OP is or is heading.

..I also think Cleric and (especially low level/under-geared) Shaman are abysmally boring to play.

I understand your point. I'm just suggesting that a enc, necro, druid group brings nothing that enc, nec, shm or clr offers with the exception of thorns and ports.

Essentially you're trading thorns and ports for much less flexible and powerful group.

[Shaniril]

Shaman.