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[Bagzan]

The issue with rotations and not camping are pretty simple and go way beyond "so and so was just being a douchebag, it's his fault!!" and I say this without any flaming or anything of that nature.

1) If you don't camp the mobs under the old rule set you lose them to the people that would have.

2) A rotation wouldn't work on this server, at least at the time of what you keep referring to as "The Big Sit." DA, IB, Transcendence, Divinity, Remedy, and probably even guilds like Eminence all would have had legitimate claims for shots at the raid encounters. You can't really set up a rotation and then say "oh but it's only for these 2 guilds, sorry everybody else." When you only have 5 or 6 legitimate raid targets and you have at least 5 if not 6 or more guilds that could kill them given the opportunity nobody is going to willingly accept a whopping 1 target a week.

It was a shitty situation for everybody involved but the rules being what they were, it was an inevitable conclusion as each guild would take one step further into the abyss trying to get the advantage on the other. No one person or guild is completely at fault, sorry to burst your guys' bubble. If you really want to blame somebody, blame the people in charge for not changing the rules sooner.

[New England Patriots]

Originally Posted by Bagzan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The issue with rotations and not camping are pretty simple and go way beyond "so and so was just being a douchebag, it's his fault!!" and I say this without any flaming or anything of that nature.

1) If you don't camp the mobs under the old rule set you lose them to the people that would have.

2) A rotation wouldn't work on this server, at least at the time of what you keep referring to as "The Big Sit." DA, IB, Transcendence, Divinity, Remedy, and probably even guilds like Eminence all would have had legitimate claims for shots at the raid encounters. You can't really set up a rotation and then say "oh but it's only for these 2 guilds, sorry everybody else." When you only have 5 or 6 legitimate raid targets and you have at least 5 if not 6 or more guilds that could kill them given the opportunity nobody is going to willingly accept a whopping 1 target a week.

It was a shitty situation for everybody involved but the rules being what they were, it was an inevitable conclusion as each guild would take one step further into the abyss trying to get the advantage on the other. No one person or guild is completely at fault, sorry to burst your guys' bubble. If you really want to blame somebody, blame the people in charge for not changing the rules sooner.

the rotation was only between ib and da

[Bagzan]

I'll give you a break since I know you have a hard time typing as well as probably reading and understanding English, Raren. Notice how I said:

You can't really set up a rotation and then say "oh but it's only for these 2 guilds, sorry everybody else."

That would imply that yes, the rotation was only between 2 guilds.

If you have a rotation that is only between 2 guilds it doesn't work on a server where 6+ guilds have aspirations of raiding the same content. Either you don't let them in and eventually they kill mobs that are in the rotation between the 2 guilds that have an agreement, causing an issue between those 2, or you do let them in, say via killing a gateway mob (not really any of those in classic ala Aary in NToV) which inevitably leads to the whole "too many cooks in the kitchen" dilemma of having 6+ guilds on a rotation for 6 mobs meaning a guild it basically getting about a boss a week which nobody is going to be happy with, especially the original 2 guilds.

[New England Patriots]

Originally Posted by Bagzan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll give you a break since I know you have a hard time typing as well as probably reading and understanding English, Raren. Notice how I said:



That would imply that yes, the rotation was only between 2 guilds.

If you have a rotation that is only between 2 guilds it doesn't work on a server where 6+ guilds have aspirations of raiding the same content. Either you don't let them in and eventually they kill mobs that are in the rotation between the 2 guilds that have an agreement, causing an issue between those 2, or you do let them in, say via killing a gateway mob (not really any of those in classic ala Aary in NToV) which inevitably leads to the whole "too many cooks in the kitchen" dilemma of having 6+ guilds on a rotation for 6 mobs meaning a guild it basically getting about a boss a week which nobody is going to be happy with, especially the original 2 guilds.

when a rotation was mentioned there wasnt 6+ guilds moron lol

[Bagzan]

Basically to be frank, I, nor anybody has to know the exact details of whatever deal because the situation's end result is right back at poopsocking after the rotation meets its untimely demise and then it goes to first to have 15 in the zone and then guilds realize they can game that rule by camping people in the zone and they start doing it earlier and earlier until you end up back at the same exact situation that happened over the summer.

[Bagzan]

Maybe not at the time, but as the server population increased so did the amount of people reaching raiding level and wanting to raid so more guilds would have sprung up which leads to the exact same problem at the end of the day.

[New England Patriots]

Originally Posted by Bagzan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe not at the time, but as the server population increased so did the amount of people reaching raiding level and wanting to raid so more guilds would have sprung up which leads to the exact same problem at the end of the day.

i can see why you joined emil because your a dumbass also

[Bagzan]

Originally Posted by New England Patriots [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i can see why you joined emil because your a dumbass also

Oh, Raren... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bodeanicus]

Originally Posted by New England Patriots [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i can see why you joined emil because your a dumbass also

The retard who can't spell or figure out how to use punctuation is calling people moron and dumbass.

U dumb, bro?

[Bubbles]

My lord.. even my ex-gf who bashed the windows out of my Saturn even got over me quicker than Alawen got over IB.

FFS will this end? It's depressing.