Serious question for GM's

[Milton]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't you just block certain subforums when you ban them? leaving ability to report/petition but silencing them effectively? Since if that is the intent, they obviously abuse the hell out of it and just continue forumquesting right through their suspension/ban?

I'd personally enjoy seeing new bad players rise to the top... I get weary seeing the same 5 people fight with themselves about which is a worse version of themselves. It's all very confusing for new players. I can't figure out who I am supposed to hate... all of them I guess? It's hard because I don't directly interact with most nay of them I suppose... I just observe them on forum and ooc and YT/Leaderboard, the 3 channels for drama. Perhaps if I played directly with them I would understand more...

There should be a stickied guide for newbs at least showing a brief description of what makes each guild terrible, and who the dirty whistles are... its like a high school cafeteria and none of the new kids to the school know where to sit because the goths and jocks and band geeks are all dressed the same and sitting at one big round table yelling across at each other. I just want to know where to sit sometimes instead of thinking this school is just comprised of one single giant group of douchebags, of various brands.

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tl:dr = Need soap opera TV guide to follow the drama around here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of truth in that post about perception and new players, I come off as a bit of a dick on forums and /ooc because of trolling and the meta game but if you know me and hangout in game I'm pretty nice with free pixels, exp, smoke breaks ect, and I tell a lot of jokes on the side to ease the grind. But, when I'm feeling it I log on my pks and kill people at random because red. My cross to bear.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't you just block certain subforums when you ban them? leaving ability to report/petition but silencing them effectively? Since if that is the intent, they obviously abuse the hell out of it and just continue forumquesting right through their suspension/ban?

nope. only rogean can set permissions.

[Bodybagger]

So....then forum bans/suspensions literally do nothing but cause people to roll a new name and continue and nothing changes... why bother anyways? At least without them people could block/ignore one name per person instead of seeing the same person be bad under a new name each week?

Not trying to be a thorn, just genuine curiosity after spectating for a long time. I know you guys have a hard job, and one you can't possibly be getting rewarded for near as much as you catch hell with, in any way, shape, or form.

[nonphixion]

Originally Posted by LoyalHurb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the key to understanding why, is to remember this is a free project. they could just do nothing.

they do something but there is no permanent fix to the problem... so the real solution is not wasting resources over a handful of retards -- which is the right choice and the choice taken here at p99

but u know this

also rest assured were it easier to make trolls lives harder, it will be done.

your a retard and a troll

[Bodybagger]

Any major infraction should be permaban... I.E. boxing, RMT, account sharing, other such major violations that impact everyone and ruin the box. Why would you let them come back to do more of the same?

If you believe people change so much how are you successfully campaigning a kunark era Everquest server?!?! We don't change... we are who we are and have always been! A thief is a thief, a liar is a liar, and a cheat is a cheat. The only thing that changes is how many people they drag down with them every time, and as they persist, and as people eventually decide if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, or fight fire with fire.

Rules keep honest people honest. Punishments keep dishonest people separate from the honest people. There is no gray area for boxing. You can't unintentionally break that rule. It takes a lot of effort to break that rule. Why would the punishment not be the utmost severity, exile form the box? I do not understand. It seems like everyone gets time outs at best... that stuff doesn't work past 4yrs old or so, and even then it doesn't work if you put them in timeout but you are a softy and still let them have their ice cream...

[Bodybagger]

So If they GET CAUGHT breaking rules and come back and DON'T get caught, I shouldn't care and should assume they are goog guys... and if they do get caught and come back and do get caught, I again shouldn't care... I should just for some reason care about playing by the rules and not care if other people do...?

I'm not sure you know how things work in real life, if that's the genuine stance... People don't go to work all day and bust hump instead of robbing people because they love it, they do it because consequences outweigh any benefits. We all know the benefits of robbing a bank, and the consequences, so very few decide the risk is worth the reward, and usually they are just arrogant enough to think they won't get caught. Take away the risk and more people rob banks.

Regardless, got the answer I was looking for I think.. basically it's too difficult/impossible to stop the bad players because they know they are bad and try hard to cover up how bad they are being and you have limited means to do anything about it so limited effort goes into stopping it. We should all just make the best of it, and try to avoid the temptations of being bad guys with them for the pure moral pride of being better human beings, and not making your box into a litter box full of cat turds.

On a side note, I made a comment about level based PVP system in another thread, did you by any chance notice it? There are a LOT of threads so probably not, but I would be interested in exploring the feasibility of it and getting yalls thoughts on the matter as well, if nothing else but for sake of discussing it and brainstorming and seeing more how you guys process and think on the matters.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

relax there young nerd. everybody gets caught eventually. and so im gonna ignore the rest of that nerdranty paragraph.

please dont be purposely dense. my "do you understand RL comment" was directed at our RL means of preventing people from logging into the server. you trying to twist it into people breaking rules on ElfQuest and then comparing that to breaking RL laws is laughable at best.

i know youre being sarcastic, but yea youre 100% right. they can make infinite accounts because they are free to make. they can reset IPs. we are a volunteer staff with limited time due to RL obligations like jobs, families, friends, and significant others. so i mean, yes youre right, people shouldnt act like pieces of shit, and should ostracize the people that do act shitty. and if that happened, it would go a long way towards improving the server imo.

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it's a tough situation.

you can't 100% police everything on the server like verant did because the staff is like 3-4 volunteers not 1-2 paid staff with 20-30 guides.

on the other hand, when large portions of the box say 'hey this dude is a shady fuck and is a 2boxer' for the previous 2 years, it'd say its a good idea to investigate a little further.

hopefully in the next month or two before velious red can get some red specific guides, like 3-4 guides that can be the eyes and ears of sirkdog the magnificent.

[derpcake]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

relax there young nerd. everybody gets caught eventually. and so im gonna ignore the rest of that nerdranty paragraph.

I've reported many boxers, many times there was no staff on to act.

Its kind of sad to learn they face 15-30 days, when the benefits from boxing are obviously huge.

They get caught eventually, I am sure, but the benefit generated far surpasses the risk and punishment.

Not encouraging news.

[Kergan]

I fully support the idea of all banned characters being thrown into the arena to battle for their freedom.

This could be a monthly event.

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[qwerty]

Just because I rob banks in RL does not mean I'm scum in p99!!!! Stop judging me!!!!