Feminism today

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[JurisDictum]

Feminism is a catch all phrase that really isn't as focused as people (especially self-identified feminists) claim it is. I hear: "All feminism means is equal rights for women," repeated a lot. That's just utter horseshit. That's what some feminists think it means, others think it means that we need to "feminize" society. Whenever I hear some politician assuring everyone that "All feminism means is equal rights for women," it's always some 50+ woman who hasn't been to college since the 70s. Women in modern campuses are talking about how live in a "rape culture," as if it's an undisputed fact of natural science. It's also a given that the pay gap is due to discrimination, when it's been statistically proven otherwise. In fact, single women that never have kids make MORE money then single men who never have kids. The pay gap is due almost completely to individual women's decisions back up by societal norms (that they buy into).
Feminists can't agree on whether they want to be treated differently by men, or they wanted to be treated the same only in a professional setting, or they think men should act differently in general. They are also in denial about men hating. how could women hating be a wide-spread thing but men-hating near non-existent? I'm not saying all feminists hate men, but you can bet the ones that do are all feminists. My guess is the number of women in feminist movements that are outright bigoted of men is about 20%.
Anyone who spends time around feminist boards or real-life groups will notice the following hypocrisies:

Men should never pretend they understand what its like for women, but women know exactly what it's like for men.

For the most part, innocent until proven guilty. Unless its a rape trail. Then he did it, does not deserve due process, and your a rape apologist if you suggest otherwise.

If a man continues to get into abusive relationships and stays with those partners, he has issues in needs help. If a woman does the same thing, her partner has issues and there's nothing wrong with her and it could happen to anyone.

A relationship where the man is dominate is problematic and repressive. Unless he's gay of course.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feminism is a catch all phrase that really isn't as focused as people (especially self-identified feminists) claim it is. I hear: "All feminism means is equal rights for women," repeated a lot. That's just utter horseshit. That's what some feminists think it means, others think it means that we need to "feminize" society. Whenever I hear some politician assuring everyone that "All feminism means is equal rights for women," it's always some 50+ woman who hasn't been to college since the 70s. Women in modern campuses are talking about how live in a "rape culture," as if it's an undisputed fact of natural science. It's also a given that the pay gap is due to discrimination, when it's been statistically proven otherwise. In fact, single women that never have kids make MORE money then single men who never have kids. The pay gap is due almost completely to individual women's decisions back up by societal norms (that they buy into).
Feminists can't agree on whether they want to be treated differently by men, or they wanted to be treated the same only in a professional setting, or they think men should act differently in general. They are also in denial about men hating. how could women hating be a wide-spread thing but men-hating near non-existent? I'm not saying all feminists hate men, but you can bet the ones that do are all feminists. My guess is the number of women in feminist movements that are outright bigoted of men is about 20%.
Anyone who spends time around feminist boards or real-life groups will notice the following hypocrisies:

Men should never pretend they understand what its like for women, but women know exactly what it's like for men.

For the most part, innocent until proven guilty. Unless its a rape trail. Then he did it, does not deserve due process, and your a rape apologist if you suggest otherwise.

If a man continues to get into abusive relationships and stays with those partners, he has issues in needs help. If a woman does the same thing, her partner has issues and there's nothing wrong with her and it could happen to anyone.

A relationship where the man is dominate is problematic and repressive. Unless he's gay of course.

I agree with much of what you're saying here. I'm a woman and I am disgusted by most so-called feminists. I really am. Why do people gotta take a perfectly good social movement that has vastly improved womens' opportunities to make better lives for themselves for over a century -- getting the right to vote, access to education, family planning, etc -- only to hijack it and turn it into a, oh I don't know... a fucking parody? A joke? I don't even know what to call it anymore. I bet the OG feminists are rolling over in their graves, though...

Some of these women nowadays are just flat-out bat-shit crazy, making up rape stories and messing with people's lives (Lena Denham and her weird book, the UVA/Rolling Stone gang-rape bullshit -- just to name a couple). They complain about the "war on women" as they declare war against all things masculine, except for themselves of course. It's acceptable to be manly but only if you have a vagina, apparently. These types of feminists are really screwing it up for the rest of us. I mean WTF are they thinking about when they bring attention to retarded bullshit like "man-spreading"? Lol.

"Omg men take up so much room on subways, the way they sit with their legs open! Let's make this a thing and call it man-spreading."

Genius idea, bitches... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] What a joke.

[Sidelle]

P.S. Sorry Katrik. I know you're sick of the feminist stuff. I was bored & couldn't sleep. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[katrik]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. Sorry Katrik. I know you're sick of the feminist stuff. I was bored & couldn't sleep. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's ok. Could be worse.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. I mean WTF are they thinking about when they bring attention to retarded bullshit like "man-spreading"? Lol.

"Omg men take up so much room on subways, the way they sit with their legs open! Let's make this a thing and call it man-spreading."

Genius idea, bitches... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] What a joke.

To be honest, i'm a man and i noticed it's always men who do that, and i think it lacks class.

But i also noticed a lot of women put their bags or purses on seats next to them, that they don't occupy, even on crowded buses. #PurseSpreading!!!1

[haksum]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a woman...

I don't forumquest that hard so not knowing if you are a woman au natural or one of these P99 'women' makes it difficult to weigh your opinion in these discussions.

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Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feminism is a catch all phrase

No it isn't.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that really isn't as focused as people (especially self-identified feminists) claim it is.

It's a movement in which there are varying degrees of opinions and political differences. Feminists of any level of intelligence know this, and don't go about making the claim that there is one specified, truest form of feminism.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Women in modern campuses are talking about how we live in a "rape culture," as if it's an undisputed fact of natural science.

Women do not get to walk around in our society without the fear of rape. Women are raped, and rape committed against women happens every single day of every single month of every single year. Give me a 24-hour truce during which there is no rape.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also a given that the pay gap is due to discrimination, when it's been statistically proven otherwise.

The pay gap has more to do with systematic/structural oppression than flagrant discrimination, although discrimination is certainly a form that oppression can take. Systematic oppression is a result of the patriarchal aspects of our society - it allows male-dominated industries and legislation to go unchecked, while keeping women subjugated and beneath the dominion of men. Although we've certainly made progress since the start of the 20th century - the ways in which oppression and subjugation occur are now often difficult to pinpoint and expose - there is still progress to be made.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fact, single women that never have kids make MORE money then single men who never have kids. The pay gap is due almost completely to individual women's decisions back up by societal norms (that they buy into).

Systematic/structural oppression also means that women are and have always been less educated than men. This is a big contributor to the pay gap, but I'd also argue that it reinforces the very subjugation that keeps women less educated and less informed. This is why whenever I hear the argument that women statistically perform worse than men in any field, it doesn't resonate with me at all. Of course they perform worse than men do, that's the whole point of the oppression and subjugation in the first place.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feminists can't agree on whether they want to be treated differently by men, or they wanted to be treated the same only in a professional setting, or they think men should act differently in general. They are also in denial about men hating. How could women hating be a wide-spread thing but men-hating near non-existent? I'm not saying all feminists hate men, but you can bet the ones that do are all feminists.

According to whom? You?

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My guess is the number of women in feminist movements that are outright bigoted of men is about 20%.

A best-guess percentage pulled out of thin air really doesn't mean anything.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who spends time around feminist boards or real-life groups will notice the following hypocrisies:

Men should never pretend they understand what its like for women, but women know exactly what it's like for men.

For the most part, innocent until proven guilty. Unless its a rape trail. Then he did it, does not deserve due process, and your a rape apologist if you suggest otherwise.

If a man continues to get into abusive relationships and stays with those partners, he has issues in needs help. If a woman does the same thing, her partner has issues and there's nothing wrong with her and it could happen to anyone.

A relationship where the man is [dominant] is problematic and [oppressive]. Unless he's gay of course.

That's strange, I spend a lot of time around feminists and haven't noticed any of these hypocrisies. Not a single one.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm just gonna let you guys keep bringing up long debunked claims (pay gap lol) and blow them all the fuck out when I get home tonight.

This is gonna be fun.