staff run RMT

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a retard.

Signed, the entire community.

Spoken like a true academic.

[Korben]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if the process was random. They are still buying a statistical percentage of the prizes.

Hypothetical example:
They do 10 more charities and you enter 'X' number of more times. Your chance to receive a prize also rises. Eventually, it approaches the point where it will be equivalent to purchasing a prize, etc...

ITT: People who are so callous and twisted that they can't differentiate between Platlord and charities.

Also, I really don't even want to bother but to counter your "buying a prize point", there's always an upper limit on how much could be spent to "buy the prize", or at least diminishing returns on investment far below what RMT is actually present. Are you really going to spend $219,055 for a 97% chance to win a Manastone?

Plot twist: You win the Manastone but you are so unable to reconcile donating $219,055 to a children's charity that you kill yourself.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if the process was random. They are still buying a statistical percentage of the prizes.

Hypothetical example:
They do 10 more charities and you enter 'X' number of more times. Your chance to receive a prize also rises. Eventually, it approaches the point where it will be equivalent to purchasing a prize, etc...

Juevento won the 280k with 5 entries, Anichek won but he had 380ish entries. Random.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

I've never debated it wasn't a form of RMT, as a matter of fact, as the GM who handles all RMT related violations, I was solely responsible for ensuring that the "limited RMT license" - though it wasn't called this publicly granted to Norova was followed to the letter so that all the money was properly donated to charity and that the raffle was done in a fair and legitimate way. If this had been, say, an auction, we may have not allowed it and instead requested a raffle (the direct 1:1 trade of an item for real life currency enters a grey area we'd rather not sail this ship through. But who knows, maybe it would be allowed - that would be a Server Administration level question).

So again, yes, we all acknowledge that RMT took place during the charity/donation drive. We all also acknowledge that raising a 15 grand from a 15 year old elfsim community is one hell of an achievement. Nobody here with their head on straight should be trying to go against, stifle, or otherwise devalue or even remove entirely this accomplishment or what it means for P99. We as a staff found it to be a very simple decision to allow this to be put on, and may allow similar events to be put on in the future, so long as we can properly vet all ends of the process to ensure it's legitimately done (ie, the money is going where it's supposed to be going, the items are not "rigged" or "pre-selected" for users who donate/pay the most, etc). As long as it all checks out, it's likely they'll be granted the same restrictive and thorough license I granted Norova and his project.

Like someone stated above - pretty clear that everyone sees the difference between platlord and a charity for dying children here. If not then, well, you probably don't like dying children. I realize they make people feel depressed, but it's kinda fucked up to just give up on them altogether, you feel me?

One last congrats to Norova and everyone who donated to reach such an incredible amount of donations from such a small project - it makes me wonder what the largest ones were.. i'm sure some of the pro players from various games who participated made upwards of 40, 50k. Pretty fantastic that gamers could come together for a day and generate this kind of cash for good causes. Great day for gaming imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lazie]

Yeah this is one thing you fools shouldn't be flaming about.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this had been, say, an auction, we may have not allowed it and instead requested a raffle (the direct 1:1 trade of an item for real life currency enters a grey area we'd rather not sail this ship through. But who knows, maybe it would be allowed - that would be a Server Administration level question).

So, by your own admissions that means P99 does not condemn RMT transactions as long as the money is not used for selfish or immoral purposes? So, it would be okay to start a non-profit website that would buy AND sell p99 platinum at the same rate for no profit and bringing an RMT service to the p99 community?

[Korben]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, by your own admissions that means P99 does not condemn RMT transactions as long as the money is not used for selfish or immoral purposes? So, it would be okay to start a non-profit website that would buy AND sell p99 platinum at the same rate for no profit and bringing an RMT service to the p99 community?

It means use common sense and stop trying to be a troll.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, by your own admissions that means P99 does not condemn RMT transactions as long as the money is not used for selfish or immoral purposes? So, it would be okay to start a non-profit website that would buy AND sell p99 platinum at the same rate for no profit and bringing an RMT service to the p99 community?

I think it would be ok to RMT if the cause was to make you stop posting.

[wwoneo]

If the 1:1 ratio is a problem, what ratio would not cause problems? Where does p99 draw the line?

[Korben]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the 1:1 ratio is a problem, what ratio would not cause problems? Where does p99 draw the line?

It draws the line at retard trolls trolling threads for no reason other than to troll