Pick Pocket Policy: Mobs you don't own.

[yaeger]

Back on the Classic Server, rogues used to be able to pickpocket anything.

For example, anything on a mobs loot table was fair game. After enough people finished killing a raid boss (Naggy, Vox, Cazic for example), loot the corpse, and finding nothing on it they finally complained enough that the devs limited Rogue PP to non-magical items.

Personally I have no problem with Rogues taking PP from engaged or non-engaged mobs. I also have no problem with Rogues pickpocketing items from named mobs before they are engaged.

On the other hand, the rogue is supposed to be the outlaw, the rebel, the thief. It fits perfectly into the class that the rogue can 'steal' from other players.

I doubt the devs are going to do anything about it. The mechanic is fine, you just have to convince the people playing the 'outlaw' class to play nice.

[purist]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isnt that the proper definition of a rogue as any though? lol

lol yeah, I was quoting it 'cause it's awesome and that's how Rogues roll

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back on the Classic Server, rogues used to be able to pickpocket anything.

For example, anything on a mobs loot table was fair game. After enough people finished killing a raid boss (Naggy, Vox, Cazic for example), loot the corpse, and finding nothing on it they finally complained enough that the devs limited Rogue PP to non-magical items.

Personally I have no problem with Rogues taking PP from engaged or non-engaged mobs. I also have no problem with Rogues pickpocketing items from named mobs before they are engaged.

On the other hand, the rogue is supposed to be the outlaw, the rebel, the thief. It fits perfectly into the class that the rogue can 'steal' from other players.

I doubt the devs are going to do anything about it. The mechanic is fine, you just have to convince the people playing the 'outlaw' class to play nice.

The problem I have with the mechanic is that it causes one to question so much else which seems wrong with the class. Sure, "outlaws" are typically able to steal from people and get good at it.

So good they can sneak by a very old dragon, steal a bunch of very heavy and valuable items and bags full of platinum and leave without the dragon noticing?

Furthermore, how can they simply disappear from plain sight? Are they magical? If they're magically disappearing from sight, why don't they have to use mana to remain hidden?

If Rogues are "so good" at stealing, why aren't monks "so good" at kicking? Why can't the monk split the dragon's head in two in one blow? They "hone their bodies into weapons," don't they? Why does feign death ever fail if monks are so good at it?

Why can't a wizard call a 6000-ton meteor from the sky, smash through the mountain and crush Nagafen to death? They are "masters of the arcane," aren't they?



I just think it's a silly mechanic at the degree to which they can currently act. Sure, rogues are supposed to be masters of subtlety and theft - but there's supposed to be more limitations. I don't give a crap how good of a magician or illusionist you are RL, you're not stealing a sword from me that i'm holding in my hand in front of my face, without me noticing. I can buy that you'd steal small items or stored items from bags - I know how good some airport thieves are.

But stealing from a freaking dragon? Gimme a break =P

[ShadowWulf]

I want to be able to pickpocket other players.
Then destroy their manastone while they watch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ryuut1]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem I have with the mechanic is that it causes one to question so much else which seems wrong with the class. Sure, "outlaws" are typically able to steal from people and get good at it.

So good they can sneak by a very old dragon, steal a bunch of very heavy and valuable items and bags full of platinum and leave without the dragon noticing?

Furthermore, how can they simply disappear from plain sight? Are they magical? If they're magically disappearing from sight, why don't they have to use mana to remain hidden?

If Rogues are "so good" at stealing, why aren't monks "so good" at kicking? Why can't the monk split the dragon's head in two in one blow? They "hone their bodies into weapons," don't they? Why does feign death ever fail if monks are so good at it?

Why can't a wizard call a 6000-ton meteor from the sky, smash through the mountain and crush Nagafen to death? They are "masters of the arcane," aren't they?



I just think it's a silly mechanic at the degree to which they can currently act. Sure, rogues are supposed to be masters of subtlety and theft - but there's supposed to be more limitations. I don't give a crap how good of a magician or illusionist you are RL, you're not stealing a sword from me that i'm holding in my hand in front of my face, without me noticing. I can buy that you'd steal small items or stored items from bags - I know how good some airport thieves are.

But stealing from a freaking dragon? Gimme a break =P

i've pick pocketed everything up to planar bosses. you can steal this:

gems(not lambent stones or other magical ones)
spell reagents
coin
other reagents, non-magical

the post was made over some dude MAYBE losing one of his alli gems, and he's probably held the camp for 5 hours with his mage or necro anyhow.

[ElanoraBryght]

Is it considered by GMs an exploit?
Is it classic?

If the answers to these questions are no and yes, I don't see what the issue is. If it's either an exploit or not classic, there's a forum for that.

[Atennu]

Pretty sure Abacab was allowed to freely pickpocket Vox.

This makes me happy that rogues are finally doing what they should be doing.

[Dantes]

I always thought the alternate loot table was just a myth made up by rogues who wanted more cash.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by User [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However comical your PVP related comments on a PVE server are, they just aren't relavent and serve no purpose in the thread whatsoever, but I applaud you for trying to think outside the bun.

If this were a PVP server then I would have snared, feared, and laughed at the rogue ...not killing him ..just keeping him perpetually feared and snared. But this isn't. So I couldn't. So, yeah, here we are.

Can't fear players in PVP.

Also, most people here seem to think pickpocket is may more OP then it is. I have also pick pocketed most mobs in classic and the above post is right you may (rarely) get a diamond or gem but mostly you get Words, Gold/Silver, Nothing.


If you where farming alli and the rogue got 2-3 pick pockets off you I bet while you camped him for 5 hours you made triple what he made stealing from you.


Remember rogues can not solo AT ALL at high lvls forget about camping named item mobs. They are 100% group orientated.


The idea that a rogue is spamming his PP ability and stealing Gems Yaks FBSS with 100% accuracy is laughable.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you where farming alli and the rogue got 2-3 pick pockets off you I bet while you camped him for 5 hours you made triple what he made stealing from you.

I wouldn't use Alli as your example to make this point. 3/4 times Alli drops NOTHING, also it's such a long fight that if Alli spawned with a Jacinth/Diamond/Blue Diamond/Black Sapphire its 100% guarantee a rogue will pickpocket it before you kill Alli.

The only way to prevent this is to kill your pet instantly when Alli does eventually notice the rogue.

edit: or feign death. Tbh any necro out there dealing with this pickpocket issue should easily be owning rogues by FDing if the mob has noticed the rogue at any point during the fight.