Rules Lawyers: the Myconid Spore King

[dustysr06]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're keeping the ph/spawn clear why does it matter how many people you're doing it with or where you pull it to? Who the fuck wants to do King with a full group?

There is no problem there, except when a group wants to do king and can potentially lawyer the camp from you by moving physically into his room and contesting the camp. Precedence doesnt matter in camp disputes, but as an example of a similar scenario I once had to give up verix because my group was set up in the room just before him, and then a duo decided they would move into his room and sit on his spawn. Because I did not immediately move my group also to sit on his spawn, I had to forfeit the camp to said duo, per eunomia who quoted the general 'at or very near spawn point' rule. Since there is a wall between my camp and the actual spawn, I lost. Now sirken or derubael, has they responded to the petition (the duo petitioned, not me, and I wasnt even given the option to share my opinions with her before she made the judgement call, mind you) they may have ruled in my favor, and told me to move onto the spawn point, who knows?

Tldr: roll red, and just take the camp from them.

[Briscoe]

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your at tranix and your group can't handle one fungi twink you got problems. All skills really, if your group is well versed in eq pvp a rogue shouldn't be able to run down and kill your group, never seen that happen in 50s range, and I'd think it would be suicide to try that at giants but i guess anything is possible.

I think his comment is a broader statement about playing on R99 in general...not just Tranix camp.

[BardPop]

He is over-dramatizing, rogues with fungis do not run red. If someone believes every important level range on red is swarming with massively twinked rogues, then they have never played on the server. Simple fact.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why you camp Tranix on R99, no problem. A timed spawn mob is obviously not a camp, but sounds like your leaving him alone to sell the crowns himself. This injustice would never happen on red. If you want tranix you go down and kill him and there is noone monopolizing the spawn preventing you for months on end. I remember playing blue on live and seeing my fair share of people like that, when I quit and went to pvp at 50ish it was a nice change.

What do you do when the guy monopolizing Tranix is a better PVP class than you? Or better geared than you? Or more skilled than you? Same thing, different type of monopolizing. PVP doesn't solve everything. Like, didn't everyone on Red complain for years about one guild monopolizing all the raid mobs?

Anyways, I don't think we should start making rules like "must have at least 6 people to engage Fungi King" or "can't pull a mob further than 500 units" cause it's silly and not in the spirit of the game.

I also don't get the "people don't play for fun" argument. Camping Fungi King with 6+ people isn't really fun, it should be trivial.

[Daldaen]

If they aren't clearing all the mobs you can just clear the mobs in jail and roaming myconids and let it respawn one cycle. Since those aren't camped.

Once those respawn, if there are enough see invis to prevent an immediate pull from the fungi duo, you can claim they aren't camping it since they aren't maintaining a presence in the room, nor are they pulling it immediately. Therefore not camped anymore.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they aren't clearing all the mobs you can just clear the mobs in jail and roaming myconids and let it respawn one cycle. Since those aren't camped.

Once those respawn, if there are enough see invis to prevent an immediate pull from the fungi duo, you can claim they aren't camping it since they aren't maintaining a presence in the room, nor are they pulling it immediately. Therefore not camped anymore.

Clearing the non see invis mobs is firmly in the "dick move" category but I don't think there's a rule against it. But if you do that, you're kind of a jerk.

[BardPop]

Both times i have killed tranix there was no pvp, if there had been pvp i'd have done what i always do:call up some friends and take it down. Pvp is the fun of the game and I would enjoy it, as for Red it is not as unbalanced guild wise, nihilium is gone and there are 2 major guilds raiding.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearing the non see invis mobs is firmly in the "dick move" category but I don't think there's a rule against it. But if you do that, you're kind of a jerk.

some would also say dominating a comp for days / weeks on end is also a dick move. im not saying it is, but there are people out there with that mindset.

i used to solo frenzy back on live farming fbss's, this is during the days of 60 people in lguk and people waiting on lists to get into camps n shit.. it drove them nuts that i was taking the camp by myself for days on end. i think i ended up with 12 fbss's by the time i stopped.

regardless, if its not against the rules then i have no problem with whatever people choose to do. if people want to be 'dicks' have at it. if 1 person can camp tranix for weeks or months on end without leaving. good on him.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearing the non see invis mobs is firmly in the "dick move" category but I don't think there's a rule against it. But if you do that, you're kind of a jerk.

For sure. But what nicemace said.

Farming a camp enough that you become a staple in /who and camp checks become irrelevant since you are always there, is just as much of a dick move in my book.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

call up some friends and take it down.

What if the guys monopolizing Tranix have more people than you?