Charm kiting animals as a druid

[Stormlight]

I've only posted the reality of what I experience in the game, and I'm sure Etsu's done the same. For more specific help, you'd need to provide specific information, such as mobs you're working with, exact spells you use, what level you were/are, exactly how many resists/successes you get, and charm durations. The sum of what you're claiming sounds like a bug, to be honest.

[yorumi]

Originally Posted by Stormlight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've only posted the reality of what I experience in the game, and I'm sure Etsu's done the same. For more specific help, you'd need to provide specific information, such as mobs you're working with, exact spells you use, what level you were/are, exactly how many resists/successes you get, and charm durations. The sum of what you're claiming sounds like a bug, to be honest.

For charm specifics I first tried charming mino slavers at level 12. I pulled with tash, charmed, and then immediately pulled another to get them killing as fast as possible. Since the zone line was close enough I tried 8 different times. Only one time was I successful in killing the pair. I'm a high elf but wasn't geared at that point, I had over 100 chr though. I gave up got an animation out and changed what I was going for.

At 16 I decided to try charming again, got some chr gear out of tunnel and went to lavastorm. I was successful in the sense that I got levels out of it but I was using the najena zone line a lot. Typical kills would require almost a full mana bar. Chr at this point was 150 I believe.

At 19 I decided to try killing nek guards at the bridge. Soothe wouldn't land on blue guards so I gave up, got an animation out and soloed the single guard at lava zone and the stone guardians.

At 20 I did gorge hounds in EK. Lots of early breaks, lots of rooting so I could recharm, but it got me to 22. At that point I had my chr buff so I'm up to 167 now. Did crag spiders to 24, same thing needed a lot of rooting and a typical kill required 70-100% of my mana. At 24 spiders were being camped by 3 other people so I went back to gorge hounds to get a bubble of exp so I wouldn't delevel. Thats where I got the 50% break rate on greens. I was going to try getting some of my incandescent armor and went to fight shadowmen. Out of 10 casts calm landed once before it critical resisted and I gated out. Came back, resisted 12 times before critical resisting and I couldn't get a spell off and died.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but what exactly am I doing wrong? Most guides and players suggest resists are so bad but I've been experiencing a nightmare of resists.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by yorumi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For charm specifics I first tried charming mino slavers at level 12. I pulled with tash, charmed, and then immediately pulled another to get them killing as fast as possible. Since the zone line was close enough I tried 8 different times. Only one time was I successful in killing the pair. I'm a high elf but wasn't geared at that point, I had over 100 chr though. I gave up got an animation out and changed what I was going for.

At 16 I decided to try charming again, got some chr gear out of tunnel and went to lavastorm. I was successful in the sense that I got levels out of it but I was using the najena zone line a lot. Typical kills would require almost a full mana bar. Chr at this point was 150 I believe.

At 19 I decided to try killing nek guards at the bridge. Soothe wouldn't land on blue guards so I gave up, got an animation out and soloed the single guard at lava zone and the stone guardians.

At 20 I did gorge hounds in EK. Lots of early breaks, lots of rooting so I could recharm, but it got me to 22. At that point I had my chr buff so I'm up to 167 now. Did crag spiders to 24, same thing needed a lot of rooting and a typical kill required 70-100% of my mana. At 24 spiders were being camped by 3 other people so I went back to gorge hounds to get a bubble of exp so I wouldn't delevel. Thats where I got the 50% break rate on greens. I was going to try getting some of my incandescent armor and went to fight shadowmen. Out of 10 casts calm landed once before it critical resisted and I gated out. Came back, resisted 12 times before critical resisting and I couldn't get a spell off and died.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but what exactly am I doing wrong? Most guides and players suggest resists are so bad but I've been experiencing a nightmare of resists.

Sounds like you need to start investing in some charisma gear.

[yorumi]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like you need to start investing in some charisma gear.

I'm at 167, tryin to get more but it's not like I'm not wearing any.

Well, generally you'd be doing crowd control or using a charm pet to outdps the rest of the group. Where are you grouping?

Been around various places, upper guk, highpass, unrest. I don't feel at all safe using a charmed pet in a group, with it breaking every couple minutes or less I'd just burn up all my mana. I'm not always sitting near full, a haste cycle does drain me way down, it's just I can med it back a good bit before it needs to be renewed.

Really though my place in a group isn't something I worry about too much. Haste, slow, and breeze are enough, I just never feel right when I'm sitting around with mana to spare even when I know I'm doing nothing wrong. It's more the soloing where I feel like I must be doing something wrong and yet all it seems like I can do is try to push my charisma even higher. I expect charm breaks, I expect resists, I just don't expect that in any frequency from green mobs.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by yorumi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm at 167, tryin to get more but it's not like I'm not wearing any.



Been around various places, upper guk, highpass, unrest. I don't feel at all safe using a charmed pet in a group, with it breaking every couple minutes or less I'd just burn up all my mana. I'm not always sitting near full, a haste cycle does drain me way down, it's just I can med it back a good bit before it needs to be renewed.

Really though my place in a group isn't something I worry about too much. Haste, slow, and breeze are enough, I just never feel right when I'm sitting around with mana to spare even when I know I'm doing nothing wrong. It's more the soloing where I feel like I must be doing something wrong and yet all it seems like I can do is try to push my charisma even higher. I expect charm breaks, I expect resists, I just don't expect that in any frequency from green mobs.

you should be good with pet if you cast a stun>cast your level 4 mez> tash> ask sham to malo (or just get a malo instantly if your sham is good)> re-charm..

unless your pet is hasted, you should be 100% safe to do this! having the level 4 mez in the cycle is what makes it easy peasy.

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Hope that helps! unless you were already doing it hehe

Also if you have a REALLY good cleric with you, they will have a stun ready and stun that thing before it even hits you once.. Fiyero knows what I'm talking about [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vladesch]

A lot of complicated replies so far...

1) Invis, but this isn't something you should have to do until you're finished for the session.

2) A mobs debuffs will remain after it's charmed. (I think that's what you're asking)

3) give charmed pet 2 rusty daggers. (they sell them at hallards in e fp)
snare target mob. send in pet. Cast flame lick repeatedly to keep agro.
Pet takes no damage and has the advantage of striking the mob from behind.
You will only get 50% xp because pet does most of the damage, but it will still be great xp. not worth trying to do over 50% damage.
if charm breaks root or snare if you have to. IIRC you dont need to at lower levels.

If you can kill other animals that's even better because you can fear and med.

Decent places to go to:
Karanas (sth karana and along the beach you wont get adds)
Loio (tigers)
Fironia vie (leeches). Western zone to EJ is a good spot.
Overthere (tigers)
EJ
TD (raptors) I think they are still animals, not certain about this.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

give charmed pet 2 rusty daggers. (they sell them at hallards in e fp)
snare target mob. send in pet. Cast flame lick repeatedly to keep agro.
Pet takes no damage and has the advantage of striking the mob from behind.
You will only get 50% xp because pet does most of the damage, but it will still be great xp. not worth trying to do over 50% damage.

I gotta disagree with this. Eating 50% EXP penalty is just not worth it. Wanna get full EXP with a method similar to this with very little additional mana investment? When your uberpet's about to finish off a monster, hide/invis to break charm, finish the monster yourself, and recharm. If you're outdoors, there is no danger to this, and you end up casting two additional spells: 1) whatever weak damage spell you're using to finish the mob, whether a DoT or nuke, 2) charm. What is the benefit? You double the EXP you're gaining. Really don't see why anyone would ever eat the EXP penalty.

Even with that method, you're running the disadvantage of not getting to kill your pet as well as the other mob, so it's probably slower EXP if you're in a zone with a lot of animals. It's a good method if you're in a zone like EJ where only half (or fewer) of the mobs are charmable, though.

[Vladesch]

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really don't see why anyone would ever eat the EXP penalty.

Because I can kill over twice as many mobs in the time it takes you to invis, crowd control your ex-pet, finish off the monster, recharm and med up the mana you used.

A dual wielding pet can probably kill another 2 mobs in the time it takes you to do all that.

YMMV though I guess. Worked for me.

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're running the disadvantage of not getting to kill your pet

disadvantage? I get to keep my pet with 2 weapons. Get a couple of summoned weapons and see how much advantage killing your pet is.

Originally Posted by Estu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid is definitely a very fun and versatile class especially if you're willing to experiment with charming.

Yeah, but most druids will opt for quad kiting at 34. It may indeed be possible to get faster xp with charm, but quadding requires so much less input and time on your pc. Most of the time you can go afk while you're medding up an entire mana bar, and then it's like 4 mins work and repeat the cycle. Doesnt require any thinking either.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A dual wielding pet can probably kill another 2 mobs in the time it takes you to do all that.

Sorry but this is absurd hyperbole unless your pet is level 30 and you are killing level 1 mobs. Anyway, to each his own.

Originally Posted by Vladesch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, but most druids will opt for quad kiting at 34. It may indeed be possible to get faster xp with charm, but quadding requires so much less input and time on your pc. Most of the time you can go afk while you're medding up an entire mana bar, and then it's like 4 mins work and repeat the cycle. Doesnt require any thinking either.

It's true, quadding is easier. But it's slower EXP and it's a lot more boring IMO. I know not everyone cares about how fast EXP they're getting because so many people do things like the friggin bard diet to level up, but I can't fathom that mindset. For me personally, the fastest EXP method with the most activity required from the player is the most fun. Why play a game if your goal is to do as little as possible? Just don't play the game at all - there, saved you all the work [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Skinned]

Reading this thread makes me want to start a druid. Maybe a druid alt is in my future [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been trying a wizard out, and he is 23, and I'm just not finding my groove.

I never played a druid before, my main is a shaman I thought it might be redundant, but I see druids running around in wolf form and get envious.