HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Ket]

Name and shame ...Name and shame ...Name and shame ...Name and shame ...

-Ket

[Pan]

I'll name myself. I'm Cloki - guilidleader of Omni (official title: Lead Hippie and/or Lesser Asshole).

I purchased an emu (more than a year ago when it was still allowed) for plat that had a L51 firepot necro attached. I made sure I purchased the emu. This was not purchased from Bardalicious/Drowed/Ruinous (why so many handles in play here)? The account had changed hands several times.

Then, when it was possible, I associated the emu with my SMS (as instructed).

Then, because it was MY emu, I reset all the passwords (because I didn't want anything hinky going on with MK account). I discovered a bard on red and a L49 cleric on this emu. I epiced and leveled and purpled the cleric - because I was the only one with access to it.

When this person cast a broad net in this thread: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=159830 - naming six toons that are NOT on this emu, I feel like this is what's going on (from this link) in which Sirken said:

second of all, id bet body parts that 90% of these people are just trying to steal back an acct they sold in the past. stay classy

Look at his initial post on server forum - doesn't mention Ruinous or Bardalicious (other two toons in question) - but looks like he's casting a broad net saying: here's a bunch of accounts I used to have, I regret selling them all and now want them back, let's see how many i can get...just fishing.

Pandora's box, I think - and smells rotten.

I have the sense that the seller (the account had changed hands multiple times - have the PMs from the owner who sold it to me archived and can post if they become relevant) is also gonna push to have the Necro returned - says I paid too little for it (quoting the wrong price, btw) and the "my necro thing" and regrets selling, etc. And this is going on - in one of the last PMs he asked me to just sell the emu back to him - which is not within the rules.

The way it stands from my point of view, I'm being pretty magnanimous offering to have the bard split off and wanting him/her to honor the offer on the cleric (xxxxxxxx) sent at 4:42pm MDT: "I'll gladly compensate you for the epic and other work put into him. I've got about 200k in assets left on blue, which includes a fungi tunic." for the work on the cleric - and I'd give up the cleric, then. But I think going back on the offer is taking place b/c this person thinks he/she has leverage right now.

But from my point of view, when you sell an account, complete with the emu credentials, you give up all rights to the account, I'd think. I won't even let people tag Omni if they do not have the ability to change their passswords b/c I don't want to gear them only to have their 'toons and the work poof.

Right now, there are several offers on the table to the original poster in this thread - many of which are dependent on the Server Staff. And as far as I'm concerned, these are magnanimous as hell:

1. Split the bard off irrespective of whatever else happens.
2. Cleric
a) Split off the cleric and pay market value for the levels, time, epic, gear, etc. (as suggested by the OP, NOT by me).
b) Level up another cleric (to 49) for the OP (and hoping for a name swap from GMs)
1) Doing it myself/within omni
2) Giving OP a chunk of cash to do it himself

I've exchanged pages of correspondence with this person and he's gotten increasingly hostile - I suppose I could post all of that crap (I have in my petition) but this person has threatened to "out" me and try to destroy my reputation on the server and among my guildmates. I've got nothing to hide and I don't do well with being bullied.

I have made EVERY effort to be reasonable and decent about this - when, in fact, I probably have no responsibility to pay any attention to any of this. He sold the emu, I bought the emu from someone else DOWN THE LINE, and now this shit is flying around.

As it stands, we're waiting on the GMs to answer a few questions. Deru asked us to work something out among us and we've been bouncing communication back and forth semi-regularly as we can. It is gonna come down to the questions noted above (splitting accounts, name changes, etc. - event to the point of asking for no-drops to be moved).

Finally, think of the precedent here (this paragraph part of my petition). There are a LOT of dead toons that got woken up with the SMS reset option - I know of a number of them myself (tho ruinous is the only one I have use of). If this gets loose and public that xfers are happening and LS accounts are being restored, you'll have to take on extra staff just to deal with that a while. Could really be a bursting dam that you don't need. (I realize I have a dog in this fight, but that remains true irrespective of my involvement.)

Last thing. When I bought this from the seller, I made sure I was buying the emu. Period. Wouldn't have gotten it otherwise. What a nightmare for everyone.

So, there's way more goodwill coming from my end than is probably sane. We're waiting on GMs to tell us what's possible.

Oh, finally, somehow, with a petition this person managed to get the bard account -on MY emu with MY SMS - banned (tho the other 2 are still working). It hasn't been unbanned yet so things are still in flux.

As soon as the GMs tell us what's POSSIBLE to do in this case (and when they're willing to do it), we'll get something worked out. If they tell him to pound sand, we'll get something worked out on the back end.

[Bardalicious]

If you guys can find a little bit of compassion in your hearts for my current plight, please help by bumping this thread in the slight hope that Rogean sees it and helps.

[Bardalicious]

I didn't read through that whole post, but just for your information, this thread you referenced that you think sounds fishy:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=159830

Was me trying to track down who owned Drowed. All of those character names were given to me by the person I originally sold the account to. So no, that wasn't me naming off a bunch of toons that I thought were on the account, that's me naming off a bunch of toons in hopes that the person that owned them also owned MY old account.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Go back to troll school. C-

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, there's way more goodwill coming from my end than is probably sane.

/salute

[Bill Tetley]

good luck with this. I can't even get them to give me the email address that my main account is registered with that Ive been playing for over 4 years...

[Derubael]

Since this is all out here in Server Chat anyway, I'll save myself the time of responding to both of your threads separately:

1) I don't care what you guys work out, so long as it doesn't require any special treatment by Server Staff (IE, name changes, account resets, moving of loginserver accounts, etc)

2) As far as we're concerned, we never supported account trading to begin with. If someone traded an EQEmu account but continued to play on a loginserver account associated with that EQEmu and is now paying the price... well, I'd say it's up to the person you sold the account to on how to proceed. Bottom line here is if you traded an account, please don't ask us to do extra work if you didn't do it right and are now experiencing problems. We have enough to deal with without having to go around cleaning up people's messes that could have easily been avoided with a little forethought and standard internet security practices.

It's a shitty situation, but at a cursory glance (which is all I'm really willing to put into this) I can't tell who owned what when or what happened from there. If we wanted to go digging we could sort it out, but really, what's the point? It would take an inordinate amount of time, again, for something we didn't support in the first place, and my position would likely remain the same. I understand the frustration, but it seems Cloki is willing to work something out with Bardalicious, which is a lot more than most would be offering right now.

That's where I'm at on all of this. There's a fine line between an account being stolen, and an EQemulator account having it's LS server passwords reset. We told people time and time again to not share account information, trade accounts, etc., and I would think it would be common sense that if you're going to sell an Eqemulator account, you'd better be sure you don't have any other Loginserver accounts on that Eqemu.

I'm going to close out both of your petitions today when I get a chance. If you guys need further help with this beyond the guidelines I've laid out in this post, feel free to re-petition.

[Bardalicious]

Oh, finally, somehow, with a petition this person managed to get the bard account -on MY emu with MY SMS - banned (tho the other 2 are still working). It hasn't been unbanned yet so things are still in flux.

I think that this quote pretty well sums things up. The fact that this person feels in any way entitled to those accounts is absurd. They banned one of the two accounts to my benefit, yes, because they are NOT YOUR ACCOUNTS, and I sure hope they get around to banning the other too. I tracked down the sale thread from when you bought drowed and it's from over a year ago. You had the emu and had everything you needed to manage the account you bought. How is it you decided to SMS reset the other two accounts a full year later and thought that they were fair game? You had no reason to SMS reset the account you bought, so you did it with full intentions of taking those other two accounts in hopes they held characters.

An honest person would have made a post about it in an attempt to make sure nobody was using them. You, however, kept your mouth shut and decided to play them.

And yes, despite seeming to try to work something out with me in PMs it sure seemed like your tone was much different in your petition when you told the GMs that I was harassing you.

[GnashingOfTeeth]

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