Why I don't like to group

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the greater reward, in either loot or exp. Nobody else does either.

Then I guess I just have to resort to the tired "you suck at EverQuest" because grouping is obviously faster.

[Tseng]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the greater reward, in either loot or exp. Nobody else does either.

ur doing it wrong

[Troy]

I dare anyone to show me a group getting a level every 2-2.5 hours at lvl 40+, hell even 30+ because that's what a solo mage can do with no risk at all.

[Sarkov]

Does a duo count? My wife & I (mnk/shm) beat that by a lot... did 41-43 in ~3.5 hours in lguk today. (granted the bonus helps).

[yaeger]

Well in reference to my earlier example, I'll do a number cruncher. Take it how you will. I'm going to assume that..

Originally Posted by Troy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My mage routinely killed 5 mobs every 6 minutes all the way up through level 50. Show me a group killing 30+ mobs every 6 minutes anywhere Reiker...

is telling the truth, that he frequently did and could kill 5 mobs every 6 minutes.

The group would have to kill at least 30 mobs every 6 minutes, that's pulling and killing a mob every 12 seconds for 6 minutes without resting or medding.

I don't know many clerics, druids, shaman, wizards, enchanters, whatever that can take on 30 mobs in a 6 minute time frame without letting up and not run out of mana.

How long can the mage keep this up? Can he med while his pet kills and keep going after the 5 mobs/6 mins? Can the group continue to kill a mob every 12 seconds for hours and hours?

You want us to believe that a group can knock out more experience, that might be true if 6 mages grouped together. But please, provide numbers, examples, something we can grasp other than vague assurances.

[Troy]

Ditching the bonus that's 2.2 hours per level, not beating it by any means.

[Reiker]

It's pointless to crunch numbers when you don't even know the algorithm that P99 is using for experience.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by PunkrawkBbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with Bigtime entirely. The point of the group isn't to be the fastest route to 50, but it is definitely a hell of a lot more fun. Plus you get to meet people who are quality who you can be in a guild with and do higher end raids. Good luck getting experience in group situations for raids if all you do is solo all the way to 50.

Why would u want to hang around at the low levels? all the fun stuff is at 46+! getting there asap should be the point imo.

most people played this game before and dont require "group experience" to know what they will be doing in a raid situation. and sometimes what you will be doing in a group wont necessarily be what you are doing in a raid.

as for grouping will help u find a guild to to higher end raids with, unless u are grouping with IB/DA/WI/Div you arent going to be doing any higher end raids really, maybe trash clears with guilds other than them, if you can call that raiding.

IMO, its a 3 step process:
1. power through 1 - 50 as fast as fucking possible. solo or group whichever is fastest.
2. join a guild that clears planes and get gear. if thats all you want to do then stay at this step. if you want to down planar bosses then....
3. take that gear and app to a real raiding guild, IB/DA/WI/Div

[yaeger]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pointless to crunch numbers when you don't even know the algorithm that P99 is using for experience.

It's not pointless, look at page 2 of this topic where I quoted one of the developers on this very subject.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not pointless, look at page 2 of this topic where I quoted one of the developers on this very subject.

Then your math is bad. You're saying that a full group would have to kill 30+ mobs every 6 minutes to compete with a soloer. If a group was killing 30 mobs / 6 minutes, and a soloer killing 5 / 6 minutes, the full group would be receiving approximately 10% more exp than the soloer and that's not factoring things such as better zone ZEM, less downtime, etc.