Making a Ranger.. (I know right?)

[Wattser]

Guess Ill be sticking with the Wood Elf then! Ranger Powa! Now to make a bow...

[Howler Monkey]

I was gonna make a new thread for this, but seeing as it's just a quick question and regards rangers, I figured I'd ask it here.

I hear a lot about how Ranger DPS gets beat out by Monks and Rogues. I've seen the informative flowchart, and I'm totally cool with trading some damage for some druid utility here and there.

What I'm wondering is more specifically how much worse is Ranger DPS in the long run (In Velious)? Are we talking like, a ranger's putting out 80% of an equal geared monk or rogue? 50%?

I'm not really looking for specific parses, and I'm happy enough with the class that I don't need convincing to keep going. It's more just a point of curiosity.

[Kender]

people say about the same as a warrior. but in a DPS parse not done by the ranger themselves, they wont see the nuke damage they can add in, especially with a 2h swing delay. Warriors get crits though so maybe they are guessing it's about the same (crits would probably parse warriors at higher straight up melee damage)

They are certainly not as bad as people make them out to be. I've seen some rangers doing far more damage in straight up melee than monks (on my own parses in groups where neither was pulling) but that's likely to be a gearing difference (or laziness).

[phacemeltar]

i just realized something about rangers. ranger is the only class that can do decent ranged dps on a mob without breaking root. this might seem like a minimal bonus but if shit hits the fan and you need to root a mob to prevent wipe, ranger can easily save the day.

seems like a very circumstantial argument, but useful nonetheless.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Howler Monkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was gonna make a new thread for this, but seeing as it's just a quick question and regards rangers, I figured I'd ask it here.

I hear a lot about how Ranger DPS gets beat out by Monks and Rogues. I've seen the informative flowchart, and I'm totally cool with trading some damage for some druid utility here and there.

What I'm wondering is more specifically how much worse is Ranger DPS in the long run (In Velious)? Are we talking like, a ranger's putting out 80% of an equal geared monk or rogue? 50%?

I'm not really looking for specific parses, and I'm happy enough with the class that I don't need convincing to keep going. It's more just a point of curiosity.

this is not really a fair comparison, as monk dps only excels because they get the best weapons in the game. most of the monk 2handers have incomparable ratios, which is probably meant to help them hold aggro when tanking.

ive heard rogues do more dps on p99 than they did on classic, and its really crazy when u look at the parser. they triple any other class, and thats just by using the epic which is relatively easy to get.

if ranger epic was as common on p99 as the monk epic, rangers would not get nearly as much hate as they do. also, there are some weapons that you can use as a ranger that makes dps very good.

the only real problem is that rangers are neglected. its something of a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that people hate on rangers so no one plays the class. therefore there is little demand for ranger weapons and they go unfarmed, thus increasing the price of ranger weapons. more rangers should be using axe of lost souls, as its pretty cheap right now and does alot of dmg if you can get haste.

just my 2cp

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Howler Monkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was gonna make a new thread for this, but seeing as it's just a quick question and regards rangers, I figured I'd ask it here.

I hear a lot about how Ranger DPS gets beat out by Monks and Rogues. I've seen the informative flowchart, and I'm totally cool with trading some damage for some druid utility here and there.

What I'm wondering is more specifically how much worse is Ranger DPS in the long run (In Velious)? Are we talking like, a ranger's putting out 80% of an equal geared monk or rogue? 50%?

I'm not really looking for specific parses, and I'm happy enough with the class that I don't need convincing to keep going. It's more just a point of curiosity.

In Velious, probably about 80%, yeah. It's less than that now.

[Daywolf]

I'd roll something else first. And not just something else, but probably a druid as ranger is hybrid druid and warrior. More or less, ranger is just a meleeing druid when it comes down to it. But anyway, rolling a druid first, you don't need gear, so you can collect your armor and weapons to start out a ranger later. Ranger is pretty much gear dependent, and at least for a ranger they will be able to get into groups a bit more easily if have at least modest gearing. But you don't need to go complete twink, by your mid 20's you can start working the ivy etched armor quests.

If you plan to work fletching, you will need around 2k+pp to get to ~200. I sold the high-end crafted bows on live for years, and can make the same here with my ranger. You are looking at 16hrs+ of click fest to raise to 200. Once past that, you can only gain in fletching with bows. Follow the wiki page on fletching here.

Learn how to use sneak if in groups. Works much like the rogue sneak but w/o the success/fail message, you don't build aggro so to out aggro the tank. Keep bind wound up, when you solo you will want to use it a lot to go non-stop. Mana pool matters less than other stats, but keep an eye on your caster line in groups and use your CC for their relief. Lastly, ranger is not an MT, it's a skirmisher, you play a ranger because you want to play like a ranger.

[Cecily]

Lol bind wound.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol bind wound.

Wut? My ranger goes non-stop with bind wound. Otherwise you spend all your time meditating after your 100 heals. If you know how to play a ranger, you can run around at 50% health for much of the game with only about 30 seconds of downtime between fights, maybe a few heal casts above 50% when you go against harder stuff. Makes a huge difference and less need to gear more wisdom items into your ranger.

And true for some other classes, especially warriors that have 0 in bind wound (just so many here on the emu it's pathetic) which is a serious lol. It's seriously funny too when the tank is sitting there in my group with a sliver of health and we are all out of mana and I pull up my cleric next to the tank and have him at 50% in a moment - much faster than it'd take to med up a heal. Yeah lol @ bind wound, it's a typical response on this server and quite odd.

[Kender]

binding wounds is down time. and with a 100 point skill cap prior to level 50, it's faster to med and heal