New OOA Non-aggression agreement

[Komodon]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maz, which cop am I supposed to be again?

The good one. Unless the situation involves Chest, in which case we switch.

Are we still pretending that this is not exactly what is happening? You can harp on me not caring for your guild (I dont) but you can stop pretending like its just blind hate, that we just pull this stuff out of nowhere and tmo has somehow not earned the bias attitude that most of us have. If you want to use this agreement to to force your agenda with ib then thats fine, we can play that game, but stop pretending like Im just jaded towards your guild, your guild is taking a stance that is going to negatively affect my guild.

Speaking of which, you sound a lot like Chest there. Just saying.

Again, if highlighting the problem of autofire use is a byproduct of our decision not to cater to you own individual need here, so be it. I don't have a problem with that. There's a lot more reasoning for us not to want to do that at this point though then some belief that IB will suddenly give a crap about what Asgard or anybody else thinks they should do. Regardless what you and a few of our friends want to speculate among yourselves.

Feel free to go back and read through the thread. It's all in there [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Komodon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking of which, you sound a lot like Chest there. Just saying.

This is the single worst thing you've ever sad to me Maz and I'm sad that you can't take it back now = \

Originally Posted by Komodon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a lot more reasoning for us not to want to do that at this point though then some belief that IB will suddenly give a crap about what Asgard or anybody else thinks they should do. Regardless what you and a few of our friends want to speculate among yourselves.

Originally Posted by Hokushin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We would like to see the nobles rotated OR only killed by the guild who has sky that day, without OOAs being killed.. with all guilds agreeing

That seems pretty close to what the rest of us are trying to achieve. This is not enough for you guys to move forward with, for me it seemed reasonable enough.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the single worst thing you've ever sad to me Maz and I'm sad that you can't take it back now = \





That seems pretty close to what the rest of us are trying to achieve. This is not enough for you guys to move forward with, for me it seemed reasonable enough.

We'll be happy with nobles rotating by Class-R/Class-C/FFA, but not a full rotation like you have going in Class-R at the moment. That I'll sign to.

(While also observing a non-aggression towards OoA)

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We'll be happy with nobles rotating by Class-R/Class-C/FFA, but not a full rotation like you have going in Class-R at the moment. That I'll sign to.

(While also observing a non-aggression towards OoA)

Class R didnt have a full rotation, a couple of the R guilds worked with each other to swap nobles but Asgard and bda both went the ynyd route.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We'll be happy with nobles rotating by Class-R/Class-C/FFA, ... That I'll sign to.

(While also observing a non-aggression towards OoA)

So, does TMO require the Nobles rotate C/R/FFA in an official capacity (added to raid.php) or is this something we can add to the terms of this agreement sharing the same GM enforced discipline? I think C/R/FFA cycle for noble is something all R guilds have already supported.

[Ella`Ella]

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[Hokushin]

Can't we just rotate nobles and not kill ooas? Adding all these new rules seems like a pita.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by Hokushin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't we just rotate nobles and not kill ooas? Adding all these new rules seems like a pita.

Probably not at this point. Asgard is comfortable moving forward on just IB's word to honor the agreement in the same way that we are ok with just accepting the other guild's word. However, since your guild was the one to throw a wrench in the last agreement I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that most of the other R guilds are going to require some form of deterrent to be in place so that y'all cannot simply have a bad day and ruin the agreement again without consequence. As for Tmo's requirement to get this off the ground, I'm guessing you've read up to this point.

[Argh]

The only rule other than not killing OoA is to not kill Noble when raid suspended.

[Ella`Ella]

Zero interest in putting any target on any sort of server wide rotation.

Again, we fully support R/C/FFA for nobles and non-aggression for overseers. However, at this point, I really don't care about the non-aggression for nobles - it would be nice, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I think we'll have more luck focusing on getting R/C/FFA implemented first and then we can add the OoA clause in.