Is mapping multiple buttons to a gamepad chearing?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rhuma I am well aware of pause and just because he have a bad example doesn't mean his point is moot. Suppose you want to push 1 button to twist your bard songs indefinitely? This cannot be done in the client.

Well that seems to more clearly fall under "automation" (and thus is prohibited).

As for the bad example part ... you're right. In retrospect I probably shouldn't have gotten in to examples at all: they focus the discussion on "is this example allowed?" when I don't care about whether people think an example is allowed, I'm just looking for the rules. Also, I initially asked about "multiple button mapping" but really there are many other variations that aren't exactly that (eg. is it acceptable to map a gamepad button to "move the mouse over here and click"?) so I should have clarified my question more before I asked it. Lesson learned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still, I don't think it's obvious what the rules are ... and I kind of think it should be. So I'm surprised there's no written record on this topic anywhere.

[Supaskillz]

Automation is built into client to a degree as was your point. Poster is asking is any automation beyond that legal? Can you use this instead of client to perform automation? Can I use something to swap my weapons to for backstab as a rogue to minimize time I hold the worse ratio weapon but still get backstabs with it? This is not built into client but this is no more automation than my evade button to attack off hide attack on and is Not built into client.

[Ahldagor]

where'd jeremy's pic go? damn thing was best part of the thread

[Argh]

This is the latest thing I could find about third party program uses. This was posted about tristantio's(?) map app.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From a third party program standpoint, this is legitimate. Doesn't manipulate the client, just reads from log file. Not comparable to SEQ or MQ2 as it doesn't share those programs advantages. As I've stated previously, in most cases, so long as a program doesn't manipulate the client itself and is only reading from a log file, it can be used on this server.

From a classic standpoint, also legitimate. The technology to do this was clearly present at the time of Everquest's release.

Investigations GM gives it the thumbs up. Unless management chimes in and says otherwise, this is fine.*

So if you're going to use any third party software consider the points mentioned above: does it manipulate the client, and was it possible during the classic timeline.

[rangerlive]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been my impression that it is against the P99 rules to map your joystick/gamepad/keyboard buttons to multiple button presses (or mouse movements/clicks). In other words, if you map the "A" button on your controller to "2", that's ok, but if you map it to "2, 3, wait 5ms, 2 again" that's illegal automation.
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Can anyone point me to a GM post, line in the rules that I missed, or anything like that that shows that multiple-button mappings are prohibited? Or allowed for that matter; either way I'd just like to have some sort of clarification that I can point people to in the wiki.

Using a gamepad(input device) to automate a combination of keystrokes is OK according to SOE, as long as you are at the keyboard.

"Sony Online Entertainment has always considered the use of programmable Game Pad devices are not a violation of our policies since they are an input device, however if the account is found to be gaining experience or skills while the owner is away from the keyboard by using the features of such devices, then we will take action as if the accounts are using a third party program. "

But then, multi-boxing was OK, too. So who knows on P99.

[Ambrotos]

Yet nothing you listed Retti is exploiting. Please learn the term please.

Also people used auto shoot in EQ. Not saying it was cool, but it isn't a 3rd party program that injects anything into the client.

[rangerlive]

I think you are technically correct.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by rangerlive [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you are technically correct.

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[rangerlive]

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am i doing this right?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Rettj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ex·ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
ikˈsploit/

make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"

synonyms: utilize, harness, use, make use of, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from

use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way.

"the company was exploiting a legal loophole"

synonyms: take advantage of, abuse

Let's use dictionary definitions for terms that have a different sense in different contexts and pretend we said something that wasn't an absolute waste of time.