Best duo with a...Necro?

[Cecily]

If you don't like fear kiting, you're not a real rogue. That being said, rogues require str buffs and haste at minimum to do optimal dps. They won't really get that with a necro. Epic monk would probably be a better choice, but a rogue won't do bad either.

[Cecily]

It's not that hard. If you're a good melee player.. you can stay in a hit box easily. Bad melees (see every ragebringer twink from caster main ever)
probably don't care for it.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not that hard. If you're a good melee player.. you can stay in a hit box easily. Bad melees (see every ragebringer twink from caster main ever)
probably don't care for it.

The problem: "being a good melee" isn't particularly fun in Everquest. Nor does it require that much skill. As you just said, it's not that hard. It's simply a contest of who can constantly bring themselves to perform the tedious routine.

There's a reason why people don't have contests or games of who can floss their teeth the best while standing on one leg and while holding one arm behind their back - because it's not something anybody actually wants to do and it's not a skill worth measuring in the world. The same goes for a lot of the mechanics that Everquest forces upon the players.

The people who invented the first space ships were brilliant. That doesn't mean anybody should actually want to use them 200 years later. Ideas are limited by means of execution. Everquest has amazing ideas that need to be completely reworked in their execution, in order for classic Everquest as it was envisioned to actually exist and continue to be relevant as things have evolved.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem: "being a good melee" isn't particularly fun in Everquest in my opinion.

FTFY.

Some people enjoy playing a Rogue. The thrill of seeing a large backstab is all the fun the person needs.

Ultimately, it sounds like you're accepting the proposition that Cecily is correct to say that good melee don't have issues chasing feared mobs, merely that you don't find playing such a class fun.

I don't see any real need for conflict here.

[Zuranthium]

No, it's not just my opinion. It is a very widely shared opinion.

Of course some people have fun playing Rogue. It doesn't mean that level of fun couldn't be higher, though. If people were honest with themselves then they would admit that simply standing behind a mob for hours on end and pressing the backstab button is not nearly the most fun or interesting thing you can do in life. There are several other things unique to Everquest that make playing a Rogue fun, but those things could easily be incorporated into a vastly superior game.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it's not just my opinion. It is a very widely shared opinion.

Of course some people have fun playing Rogue. It doesn't mean that level of fun couldn't be higher, though. If people were honest with themselves then they would admit that simply standing behind a mob for hours on end and pressing the backstab button is not nearly the most fun or interesting thing you can do in life. There are several other things unique to Everquest that make playing a Rogue fun, but those things could easily be incorporated into a vastly superior game.

It doesn't matter how widely an opinion is held, it is still just your opinion. A subjective view being widely held doesn't make it objective or give it any more weight.

There are those that will deviate from it, and that is acceptable. We are not talking about an objective fact, we are talking about who finds what fun. And yes, there are some people that the highest level of fun they can attain is to stand behind a mob, evade off aggro, and backstab to see big numbers and fast moving damage text. If you're that type of person, and that's what you love, fantastic. Go for it.

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh come on Ute, "being a good melee" and "being willing to spend hours on end chasing snared mobs" are not synonymous. It takes no notable skill to emulate jabober, just a willingness to accept soul-crushing tedium as a substitute for fun. I mean, seriously, if I want a playstyle that prevents social interaction with my group I might as well go all the way and make a damned superman, er, I mean bard, and get rewarded for my pain.

No, they are not synonymous, but one of the numerous traits that a good melee character should have is being able to always stay at max melee range against a moving mob to maximize their DPS up-time. And yes, that is trying to emulate a pet, but emulating that perfectly is a way of maximizing your skill. No where do I say how high the ceiling is on being a skilled melee, merely that on the sliding scale from shitty melee to skilled melee, that being able to emulate jabober is the higher end of that spectrum. Ever seen a melee that couldn't? They exist. The high ceiling on a melee may be significantly lower than that of another class, depending on the context of the content being engaged, but that doesn't change that for melee, the skilled melee can chase a mob at max melee range without losing any autoattacks to ranging.

But again, it's soul crushing tedium to you. There are people who find that fun (I know a couple). I used to play MTG, and I found people all the time who loved Red Deck Wins (fast kill red deck), but I couldn't stand it, because it was (relative to control), mindless, soul crushing tedium. There's nothing wrong with finding ways to be skilled at that type of style, but to be, it is soul crushingly boring. But that's an opinion, not an objective fact. I know some people who hate to play control in MTG, and I know people that hate to play necromancers in EQ.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ultimately, it sounds like you're accepting the proposition that Cecily is correct to say that good melee don't have issues chasing feared mobs, merely that you don't find playing such a class fun.

Oh come on Ute, "being a good melee" and "being willing to spend hours on end chasing snared mobs" are not synonymous. It takes no notable skill to emulate jabober, just a willingness to accept soul-crushing tedium as a substitute for fun. I mean, seriously, if I want a playstyle that prevents social interaction with my group I might as well go all the way and make a damned superman, er, I mean bard, and get rewarded for my pain.

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like having a ranger friend tag along for fear kites on FV pirates. Shit probably sucked as the ranger but was good xp.

Did I ever manage to last even an hour at a time in FV? At least it wasn't as horrible as the time you dragged my warrior into an agro-kiting group in DL, IIRC I bailed on that shit to go do laundry after about 10 minutes.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh come on Ute, "being a good melee" and "being willing to spend hours on end chasing snared mobs" are not synonymous. It takes no notable skill to emulate jabober, just a willingness to accept soul-crushing tedium as a substitute for fun. I mean, seriously, if I want a playstyle that prevents social interaction with my group I might as well go all the way and make a damned superman, er, I mean bard, and get rewarded for my pain.



Did I ever manage to last even an hour at a time in FV? At least it wasn't as horrible as the time you dragged my warrior into an agro-kiting group in DL, IIRC I bailed on that shit to go do laundry after about 10 minutes.

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I'm sorry. Roll red and let's fear kite things again, mmmmkay?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people who invented the first space ships were brilliant. That doesn't mean anybody should actually want to use them 200 years later. Ideas are limited by means of execution. Everquest has amazing ideas that need to be completely reworked in their execution, in order for classic Everquest as it was envisioned to actually exist and continue to be relevant as things have evolved.

Now this right here - deserves a thumb up! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Whirled]

Idc if feared, kited, charmed, as long as I'm still swinging weapons we're still winning =D