Raid question - helping other guilds.

[lecompte]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dun care. If any class R guild could use a 60 rogue during weeks that TMO is up to nothing, look me up.

That. Except not a rogue.

Course, I may have to guild remove to help [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know perfectly well what the issue is Ella.

Danth

I guess it sounds more to me like you're expecting the problem to come from within Class-R and not Class-C? Is that correct?

I don't think Class-C members would mind helping Class-R secure kills for nothing in return; I know if asked to help, I personally wouldn't mind - I wouldn't mind raid leading for those without experience either.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by sulpher01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think this sums the whole thing up.. if your unsure, deguild and reguild later.

That won't fly. GMs addressed this earlier about detagging/retagging. I don't know if it's posted here, but that argument was exhausted in the Great Raid Debates of 2014.

[Scikala]

Holy fuck are things way too complicated/political for a fifteen year old game.

[Ahldagor]

make one big guild with a triumvirate for leadership, and wah lah you have all guild issues solved.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too many folks are trying for a piece of too small a pie. Those guilds are already eyeballing ways to preserve what small rate of kills they have and try to rule-lawyer each other out of raid kills.

At least they have a slice now. And the eventual R-class infighting will be entertaining. Win win for everyone.

[Kekephee]

I think an important question to ask is, why is one guild helping another? If you have a guild that isn't capable of killing a mob, and so recruits help from a more capable guild, or if you have a guild that is capable of killing the mob and just for fun brings along someone who's in a different guild, those seem to me to be two very different things. I don't think that affects lockout at all, but imo it's a pretty important distinction to make.

One option- a capable guild helping a less capable guild- involves goodwill and, ultimately, the more capable guild giving up a chance at loot to help another guild out. No matter how you slice it- whether you look at it from the angle of, if <Not So Great> gets the loot from Master Yael, then <Super Stars> doesn't, so <Super Stars> has an incentive to not help and in choosing to do so chooses to give that loot up, or if you look at it from the angle of <Super Stars> are now locked out on that mob, they are giving something up. In this case, lockout makes perfect sense.

On the other hand, if there's one or two guys from <Super Stars> who have a buddy in <Not So Great> who needs an epic piece that his guild can't get him and choose to help the guild out, that seems to be something different. Personally, I think this is a bad idea- first of all, there are most definitely people in <Super Stars> who could have that epic piece themselves, as not a single guild on this server is 100% epic'd. Second, this sets a precedent that ultimately leads to, "hey <Super Stars> I'll pay you 100,000 platinum to let me loot Ragefire- which, if that's a good or bad thing is really a completely different conversation.

[Morgander]

My biggest question then right now is, if a class R member raids a rotation class C mob, does that class R guild get raid suspended for attacking a class C raid mob?

If not, then I suppose there's no issue here. I just really want to know so I can help my friends more without fear of getting my guild in trouble.

[BigHurb]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What hath god wrought.

i too was impressed by orlando bloom's dedication to everquest

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My biggest question then right now is, if a class R member raids a rotation class C mob, does that class R guild get raid suspended for attacking a class C raid mob?

If not, then I suppose there's no issue here. I just really want to know so I can help my friends more without fear of getting my guild in trouble.

If there are enough R members raiding a C mob then the R guild becomes a C guild because of those selfish members [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]