Forced Rotation Isn't Classic

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're ready to leave poeple at spawns for 7 days to deal with this non sense camping issue.

A single person at the spawn wouldn't be able to claim it. We had specified that it would require a force. The definition of a force can vary, but for the most part at least two groups.

The point of inserting the rotation was not only because of IB threatening to KS. It was also to combat the ridiculous mis-use of the system that was in place.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is Transcedence will benefit from the lack of competition, because they were not getting 50% of the boss mobs previously. Now they are. They will keep that up until they're all proper geared and until they start having to share their spawns with another lower guild. Then they'll say "oh, no, we want to go back to competition" as soon as it doesn't suit them.

That's the problem most of IB has with this situation. It's fair only to one side, and that side will dump the "solution" as soon as they start feeling the heat of 3rd place.

Actually we were. In the 2 weeks before rotations started Trans Killed Vox and Naggy, and IB killed Vox and Naggy. The rotations did not require anything because they were already being rotated. It just became official and we can schedule a raid without worrying about trains or a 14 hour camp beforehand (and don't tell me IB would not have done the same, you claimed naggy the week before at least 5 hours early by killing one FG with 9 people.)

[Pyrocat]

Before "the 2 weeks before rotation" we had killed Naggy 2 or 3 times already with no problem. And we had killed every PoF spawn from the first day we broke it until the server went down to DDoS, minus like 1 or 2 attemps from trans in which nothing of significance was gained. We raided that zone more times than I can count. We killed Draco at least 4 times, and got the server first CT kill. Transcedence never killed Draco (to my knowledge) and never killed CT.

And as soon as the server opens PoF again, we are the first to form up a significant force, first in, first to clear, first to kill CT again. And, big surprise, you tried to compete and lost and decided to force a rotation again.

[guineapig]

I wish you guys could hear yourselves right now.

What are you going to do when a guild like Europa (who has a completely different play schedule), starts taking on these same raid targets.

Now is the time to grow up and start acting like adults instead of a bunch of selfish lewt whores.

There will be a bunch of other raid capable guilds on this server before Kunark comes out so figure it out.

[Pyrocat]

I really wish PoH and/or PoS would open soon, it would relieve so much of this tension. SolRo quests too, something to do asides from rabidly compete over mobs that don't spawn every 22 minutes.

[Soulfighter]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And as soon as the server opens PoF again, we are the first to form up a significant force, first in, first to clear, first to kill CT again. And, big surprise, you tried to compete and lost and decided to force a rotation again.

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you guys acting so surprised? You were told on Monday, December 7th, 2009 at 8:03 PM EST that this was going to happen. You have been following the rotation since then. I told you that details would be posted. I posted the details.

You have discussed it with me. You have discussed it with Aeolwind. You have discussed it with Nilbog. You have been shown direct quotes from the GM code of conduct from Live. We have explained the situation over and over.

Allizia asked me how we were handling the planes. Since you guys got there first to kill CT the planes were yours, Trans pulled out of the planes since it was your guys' night in the planes.

Seriously. The ones doing all the QQing... is you guys.

You could have at least read the previous posts.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We raided that zone more times than I can count. We killed Draco at least 4 times, and got the server first CT kill. Transcedence never killed Draco (to my knowledge) and never killed CT.

You are absolutely correct. Plane of Fear was locked after we broke into with 12 people for the first time because it was suddenly considered to easy. You should remember this because we had the right of refusal using the old rules and we gave IB the right to kill Dracholich/Golems while we were inside farming trash and had the zone in clear for you. With so many PoF clears under your belt, why is it even an issue?

The gesture was lost however, and we will continue to disagree. Transcendence is not going anywhere, and more guilds will move to raid status. No matter what system is implemented, you are going to lose spawns.

This will be my last post here, I've said my bit.

[Pyrocat]

I wasn't under the impression the entire ZONE would be on rotation. I though that it would just be a dragon thing. Hence the surprise.

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plane of Fear was locked after we broke into with 12 people for the first time because it was suddenly considered to easy.

Yeah, and I would've been pissed if that had happened to me too, but from what I heard it was Aeolwinds first time actually seeing someone do PoF.

The gesture was lost however, and we will continue to disagree.

There have been gestures lost from us as well, and enough bad blood between guilds to last through Velious. I'd much prefer more content so we don't even need to compete and at the very least have 2 planes to share between the guilds so we can always have something to do.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Pyrocat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before "the 2 weeks before rotation" we had killed Naggy 2 or 3 times already with no problem. And we had killed every PoF spawn from the first day we broke it until the server went down to DDoS, minus like 1 or 2 attemps from trans in which nothing of significance was gained. We raided that zone more times than I can count. We killed Draco at least 4 times, and got the server first CT kill. Transcedence never killed Draco (to my knowledge) and never killed CT.

And as soon as the server opens PoF again, we are the first to form up a significant force, first in, first to clear, first to kill CT again. And, big surprise, you tried to compete and lost and decided to force a rotation again.

I wasn't quite sure what you meant by this but I have gone through my logs and appears that I never 100% straight forward told you guys that CT would be on rotation. That being said it should be assumed as such though as all raids targets were to go on rotation until further notice. There was no system in place to decide who was getting the first crack at fear, you guys were the first in so you guys got the first round.

The best I can give you is when i addressed Transcendence:

[Mon Dec 07 21:29:23 2009] You say to your guild, 'Cazic Thule will also be on a rotation and I think planes farming will be dependent on who has CT that week or something.'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:41 2009] Noser tells the guild, 'wenai the pooh '
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:42 2009] You say to your guild, 'Ok guys. Thanks for your time, I am free to answer questions through PMs if needed.'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:45 2009] Durison tells the guild, 'Thanks Wenai'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:49 2009] Rupes tells the guild, 'Sounds more than fair. Thanks man.'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:51 2009] Durison tells the guild, 'you have been a great help'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:52 2009] Noser tells the guild, 'thanks!'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:53 2009] Rhongomyniad tells the guild, 'thanks wenai'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:56 2009] Mythoxxus tells the guild, 'Thanks man'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:58 2009] Bazek tells the guild, 'thnx dogg'
[Mon Dec 07 21:29:59 2009] Rincewind tells the guild, 'best decision'
[Mon Dec 07 21:30:00 2009] Taluvill tells the guild, 'Thanks man = )'
[Mon Dec 07 21:30:00 2009] Glitch tells the guild, 'Thank you'
[Mon Dec 07 21:30:02 2009] Stanley tells the guild, 'thanks wenai'
[Mon Dec 07 21:30:04 2009] You say, '#guild set Wenai 0'
[Mon Dec 07 21:30:04 2009] Wenai has been put into guild -1
[Mon Dec 07 21:30:04 2009] You are no longer a member of Transcendence.



Seriously guys. If you hate the the rotation so much, you need to work with Trans to get something worked out that works for the both of you. Find a compromise somewhere that you two guilds can agree on a system. Bitching here isn't going to accomplish anything.

[Pyrocat]

Working with transcendence will accomplish nothing since they ALREADY HAVE WHAT THEY WANT. There is absolutely no motivation to come to any compromise, and plenty of motivation to not work with us.

I hear what you're saying, but I feel that this is the point people are missing when they don't understand why people are angry.