Quest Issue: Pulsing Green Stone

[Daldaen]

Dunno I think my links from 3-4 different raid guilds where they NEVER mention a single stone dropping. EVER.

They only fail to mention the stones at all cause they were so common on live that's like counting out your Tolapmuj Robe's and Protector loots during Trak kills.

That screenshot would need a time stamp or be posted with a time stamp though. Cause its really easy to find a full VS corpse post revamp and try to claim that is truth, when infact it isn't.

But as I said. There is a REASON the revamped version was dropping 2 stones. Its cause the normal VS was dropping 2, they just moved em over.

[Lartanin63]

Epic winning.

[Man0warr]

I always remember 2 dropping even before VSR - the real cockblock for the epic was the Pod. Don't think I got mine on live until well into Velious.

[khanable]

I've found evidence against this

http://www.moemoe.gr.jp/~yourtoy/onlinerpg/eq0104.html

Page is a bit jarbled - but under the VS log you see they list what he dropped - "a DRU/RNG epic item", indicating one

And then this post:

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...=venril+sathir

heh. Trying not to sound negative here, but we have killed Venril more than a dozen times. His "good loot" rate seems to me about a 14% drop - no lie. Most of the time we get 2 staves - and recently, with the addition of quest items to his table, we got 1 stave, 1 legs, and 1 quest staff.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...+sathir&page=3

5) I have to compete with another class to get a stone off of Venril Sathir, who, until they changed his spawn time (and how the stones are dropped), was killed on my server (Povar) while I am at work, because that's when the server comes up after being patched.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q...m9816695728739

Is the stone dropped by Venril every time? Also, is it no-drop?

I was thinking that if an uber-group were camping him for all the cool armor and such, it might be possible to ask to be able to loot the stone off of him if it were dropped everytime. Granted, all the druids in that group would have first dibs, but if the stone is no-drop, then eventually all of the druids would have one and no more would be needed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Just a thought.

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Venril has been upgraded so that now every time he is killed, he drops two of the stones.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/q...97430247826190

Kill Venril Sathir in Karnor's Castle and be lucky to loot the rare gem he drops. Venril is a very tough Necromancer that can only be beaten by very strong guilds.

[Daldaen]

K none of that is evidence. I'll break it down.

1st post - April 2001. Read my Original Post. That is AFTER the epic change. Therefore irrelevant.

2nd post (from EQCleric) - Oct 2000. A month after Epics implemented. Also a month before Druid epic solved. No one knew what stones were even for at this point in time. Also he is talking as though the "norm" loot. Which probably extends before the epic patch.

3rd post (from EQCleric) - April 2001. Again irrelevant.

4th post (from allakhazam) - Mar 2001 reply, original question which adds nothing of importance to this discussion was indeed in the Nov 2000 - Mar 2001 window of relevance.

5th post (from allakhazam) - this is the only quote of relevance. But all of my evidence points to the contrary. It clearly isn't that rare if EVERY raid log from several different guilds sites regarding VS in that Nov 2000 - Mar 2001 time frame lists 2 Stones dropped. That isn't luck. Those people who got 3 VS and 6 Stones in a reset are proof it was a guaranteed 100% x 2.

[khanable]

I fail to see how

heh. Trying not to sound negative here, but we have killed Venril more than a dozen times. His "good loot" rate seems to me about a 14% drop - no lie. Most of the time we get 2 staves - and recently, with the addition of quest items to his table, we got 1 stave, 1 legs, and 1 quest staff.

Is irrelevant. It was during a time when he was dropping quest items. They're going to omit two strange green stones because they don't know what they are?

(and how the stones are dropped)

I think that's relevant.

Why would the mar 2001 reply to the pre-remains question not be relevant? This to me says he was changed at some point to drop 2. (likely the remains fix)

[Daldaen]

That first link is all sorts of fail.

VS gauntlets turning into King Vibrating gauntlets? And it's a level 39 cleric giving insight about VS loot seems kinda sketchy.

And if it was changed at some point.. It was during the window Nov 2000 - Mar 2001 since all of my evidence points to a 100% drop rate for 2 stones.

[Daldaen]

Regarding the first EQCleric post btw. That quote, I used that dudes guild in one of my posts. So perhaps there was a time from September-November 2000 when stones weren't guaranteed. But see this post for every kill their guild had on VS from Nov 2000 - Mar 2001.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=14

All of them include double stones.

I tend to believe the front page updates of 4 months over a single post from a level 39.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So perhaps there was a time from September-November 2000 when stones weren't guaranteed.

This could very well be. From that website:

November 12th, 2000

Venril Sathir lived for about 45 minutes when the world of The Rathe awakened early morning. Venril Sathir lay dead from the efficiency of fourteen Knights a.k.a. "the night crew." Congratulations to Reye (Cleric) and Adela (Druid) on their new staves, and to Enik (Wizard) on his Gnarled Staff.

No stones there.

November 6th, 2000

The Knights of Eternal Good and invited friends enjoyed an evening in the Plane of Hate.

Venril Sathir was slain yielding staves for Taxero (Wizard) and Ozie (Cleric), and a Gem for Kulvarian!

A single stone. A few posts later Kulvarian was congratulated on his druid epic - so we know this 'gem' was a 'stone'.

[Daldaen]

I could see that. Perhaps from September 2000-Novemeber it was changed from a rare drop and named gem. To be the guaranteed 2-stones? Probably changed item name too.

Cause a few of the original posts mention a gem. Then they start using the word stone...

Originally I attributed that to the Druid quest being insolved and no one knew what the gems were even for. But maybe alpha Druid epic used a different item called a gem or something.