azrael didnt poach members from red dawn

[Rellapse36]

Yea the force crew your officers hated Azrael they are also retarded and the most selfish people i have ever met. Congrats on wasting hundreds of hours building a guild tho

[Genedin]

You have no idea about the history between Force and Azrael and are constantly talking out of your ass. Perhaps you should give forums a rest for a while.

[Rellapse36]

Azrael > Force is all that is needed to know

[Genedin]

United States > Ottoman Empire

amazing logic

[marie]

was personally sad to see RD go. Was starting to redevelop respect for them the week before they disbanded. they actually started to pvp even when they knew they were going to lose. Something I was trying to tell topjew before i guild disbanded, the guild needs pvp experience win or lose doesnt matter. Will not win velious with gear and levels alone, pvp experience is more important than both.

Azrael VS Nihilum is a perfect example. 3 out of 4 mass pvp fights the past 2 weeks nihilum has outgeared us and had 5-10 more members than azrael yet Nihilum gets shit stomped everytime.

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[Rellapse36]

Genedin log on and say hi


o wait


banned

lulz

[HippoNipple]

Force was a refreshing guild that made the server interesting for a while. They had some similarities to RD. You can hate all you want but the server was more fun with RD around. It will go down hill unless someone else like HB can step up and put in work again. RD offered a wild card that could swing the tide of a battle in either Azrael or Nihilum's favor. It kept both guilds in check from being complete neck bearded pixel frenzied misfits. Now that it is 1v1 it will get predictable and eventually become a 1 guild server again.

[quido]

Allow me to respond to your inquiry here Tecmos.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Makes sense. Seems like it probably was a bit more complicated than RD simply running from PVP 9 times out of 10 though.

Of course it's a bit more complicated, however the degree to which Red Dawn for a long while avoided PvP was excessive. I can't really blame them for most instances, but I think there were a number of times RD could have benefited from getting some PvP when the cost of a crushing defeat was low. There's something to be said about being willing to bite the bullet and eat a death in the name of putting up a good fight. On red, sometimes you gotta think with your dick instead of your brain and say "fuck it, we're here, let's do this shit" in the face of what is probably almost certain death. You never know how it might turn out, and you and your people might learn a thing or two in the process.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How else is a 3-guild/3-team system going to work? Not trying to troll, I seriously don't understand how else it could possibly work.

While it would be nice to have 3 standalone capable guilds, obviously when one of three guilds is new to the scene, you are likely to see some sort of alliance from the newcomer. I think the problem a lot of us had with the RD/Nihilum alliance is that it further stacked the odds against the standing underdog. Now certain people will say this happened because Azrael/Lite is toxic (a point which I'll address in my next response below), but that is completely ridiculous. I totally understand why it happened - the most people had the most to gain by it happening, but many people failed and still fail to acknowledge what a precarious arrangement such an alliance is. Nobody likes a blowout; you might think you do for a while, but in the end it gets fucking boring. When you join a counter-strike server and there's 12 terrorists and 8 counter-terrorists who are obviously losing, you don't join the damn terrorists. Sure, the most people have the most to gain by further stacking the odds, however, such a situation is fucking stupid. Nihilum has vast reserves of retired people they call on when the competition gets tough (though I think that reserve might be starting to fizzle out) - adding a large chunk of people to the already exceedingly winning team doesn't make for a fun pvp server.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I get the impression that everyone twists words to make the other people look bad. Remember that thread where you posted about someone plugging as if you were gloating, when just the day before you said if someone plugs on you it means YOU'RE the bad player for not killing them before they could plug and that no one cares about plugging?

Again, not trying to troll. I just want to know what's going on.

Every big guild on both servers has a little ministry of propaganda built into them whether they mean to or not. Forumquest and such is part of the game and I of course embrace this facet of our community, however, the degree to which Lite and pals get a bad rap on here from the opposition is inordinate. This is a function merely of serving a purpose and not a truthful representation of reality. Running a guild is a lot of work and responsibility, and it of course comes with some tough decisions. In my time with Lite and pals (I've been 60 on my red monk since October and played red for some time before this) I have been perfectly happy with how everything has gone. Granted it hasn't been perfect (no experience can be), however those of you who know me know I am fast to speak against injustice, and I've never had any real cause to do so in Azrael. Red has a jaded history and much of it I didn't experience directly, but since I've been here, most of what I've seen firsthand is in direct opposition to what I had read and continue to read on these forums from those that would prefer to see a boring pvp server.

[marie]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's how "allying" with Nihilum decision came about [aka they give us a mob to not work with Azrael]

I bat phoned RD, we had TS meeting

"hey guys, Azrael split from the guild to do their own thing, Nihilum wants to give us a mob if we don't work with AZ, what do you guys think?"

"Awesome" "fuck AZ "Wow thats great" "Yes"

It was about 95% unison, with the exception of like Badger who left. Anyone who didn't approve of it and kept it to themselves rather than voicing their opinion, and then rage quit over it, I have zero respect for. We had an open discussion, and everyone was free to give their thoughts. But keep pushing that party line dawg.

I dont really feel all that much bad blood between us. I didnt believe in your vision to be political with nihilum. I want to kill them all and take their pixels from them, not share them. Ever since azrael got even numbers with Nihilum, we have been winning every fight and taking every raid mob we wanted. Cant even use the excuse nizzar isnt around things will change etc because he was around when the shit stomping began. Would support your application to azrael if you ever were interested. people need to let the past go and realize people grow and change overtime. Not everybody stays the same forever, i believe in 2nd or even 3 chances.

[HippoNipple]

Quido every 3 team situation is going to end up 2v1. It will never be a royal rumble. It will never be completely evenly matched for 3 different teams. The number 1 and 2 guilds will always gun for each other and the under dog is the wild card that decides what they get out of helping one of the other teams. It is common sense.