World War: Norrath

[Rjones61]

Originally Posted by Sarkhan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think if the dark elves conquer the fatties first and then controlling them as their pawns after the fatties were completely dominated.

Certain races like the wood elves I don't think would be able to be controlled for the purpose of battle after their defeat but the ogres and trolls I think would definitely be willing to continue fighting for the dark elves if the Teir'Dal were to dominate them.

This is a good point. I think dark elves are the only race I don't really know much about. You'd have to fill me in on how they would defend their city. Seems like humans would be their biggest adversaries?

No mention of gnomes. General agreement that they are toast?

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Rjones61 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point. I think dark elves are the only race I don't really know much about. You'd have to fill me in on how they would defend their city. Seems like humans would be their biggest adversaries?

No mention of gnomes. General agreement that they are toast?

They are placed between two pieces of toast. /nod

Methinks inkies would aim straight overseas for the elves since there's general beef between them. Iirc Inny tortured some high elf queen&king and corrupted them into becoming the first Dark Elves?

[Kellek]

The dwarves would just collapse their entrance and live underground.

[Vlak]

I think Dark Elves would more likely take Freeport and block access to Antontica for Faydwer-dwelling good races rather than risk a direct attack on hostile, foreign soil. And if it's all vs all, then better to let the goodies (dwarves, elves, and gnomes) kill eachother with no way out then mop up afterwards than to give them any reason to band together.

For defense, Dark elves have their backs to the wall in a one-way-in-one-way-out cave. Defensible, but siege-vulnerable. That said: Mages can summon food/drink.

My bet: Kerrans. Isolated from the mainland, only adversaries are erudites (who would likely kill eachother off anyway) once Odus is taken, it's just a waiting game for them XD

[Rjones61]

Erudite's capability for dominance all depends on whether they are able to become united. My answer is yes, Erudite's are the smartest and most rational creatures on Norrath. They will realize that if Paineel and Erudin are united as Erudites, they will avoid certain doom.

I disagree with Erudites being in the same situation as man. Their city is far more defensible, they should logically be able to turn off their teleporters, and shut themselves in. Anyone stupid enough to port into Tox will find themselves sandwiched between powerful Erudite forces. Defense from sea is a lot more simple than from land. You have time to mobilize and corner your opponent. Also, Erudites have no important structure exposed to being bombarded from sea.

[thieros]

In the current EQ timeline, Frogloks came to power creating the Great city of Gukta. The same would hold true in the current state of affairs as Froglok factions hold down positions on multiple continents.

The froglok's hold a highly defensible stronghold of Guk (with a bit of inner warring with the undead). And over in Kunark, they have another highly defensible fort in Old Sebilis with fragments of troops scattered throughout Kunark. They are all powerful Warriors, Shamans, Clerics & Wizards. They have leaders and elders. They have powerful weapons, armor & accessories. They wield great spells such as Ice Comet & Envenomed Bolt.

My money's on Froglok's through the following maneuvers:

Kunark dominance through:

1) Call to arms to Swamp of No Hope & Old Sebilis armies (pull the goalie so to speak)

2) launch assault on West and East Cabilis War on two fronts and squeeze em out. Cabilis with it's multiple entrances (including Veksar port) would be a cinch.

3) With Iksar's erradicated, the knock out Firiona Vie and the Overthere Outpost with ease (I mean look at how defensible and well armed these are?!)

Antonica Domination Plan:

1) Squash inner turmoil with undead Frogloks (unless an alliance can be reached. basically surrender or die by fire)

2) Grobb would be easily overran by sheer numbers

3) Oggok would face the same fate as Grobb.

4) With these difficult armies squashed, you have now carved a foothold in Antonica. Time to import some army. Through carrier, establish communication with Kunark outposts. Have the Overtehere Outpost send reinforcements (remember, Frogloks procreate quickly!)

5) Combine forces at Oasis and begin the march on East Freeport (Objective #1 to lock down port to Butcherblock, an important part of launching the Faydwer assault)

6) Leave behind a small squadron to lock down EC tunnel to prevent being blindsided.

7) After tactically smashing the Humans of Freeport, they would storm westward decimating all opponents in its path. The biggest challenge being the Men of the North. Frogloks are not fans of cold and can weaken them! This would be a tough portion of the journey.

8) Once Antonica and Kunark are held down, the would take a med break and have some R&R before that launch the assault on Odus & Faydwer. But that's a story for another day...

[Nytch]

Kaladim and Ak'anon both have one small entrance and are underground making them easier to defend against Magic. It would be like trying to break the spartan 300 if you were trying to invade either of these cities. Imagine the tinkered booby traps the gnomes would lay within their city if anyone was ever able to penetrate the outer entrance... That being said I don't think either of them would be able to mount much of an offence.

Gnomes would have an easier time as they would have spell casters

Erudites would be a lot easier to conquer if you think about it from a lore perspective. Sure they could turn off their port pads and live off of loaves of black bread and water flasks their magicians summoned, but they would never do that because they feel they are a superior race to all others in the world and deserve more. It would only be a matter of time before they turned those pads back on and came out for some higher quality foods/wine and get steamrolled by anyone occupying their outer city.

I'm going with Gnomes, easy to defend home city and all the knowledge and classes (warriors, healers and caster) they would need to mount an attack on opposing cities.

[Rjones61]

Originally Posted by thieros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the current EQ timeline, Frogloks came to power creating the Great city of Gukta. The same would hold true in the current state of affairs as Froglok factions hold down positions on multiple continents.

The froglok's hold a highly defensible stronghold of Guk (with a bit of inner warring with the undead). And over in Kunark, they have another highly defensible fort in Old Sebilis with fragments of troops scattered throughout Kunark. They are all powerful Warriors, Shamans, Clerics & Wizards. They have leaders and elders. They have powerful weapons, armor & accessories. They wield great spells such as Ice Comet & Envenomed Bolt.

My money's on Froglok's through the following maneuvers:

Kunark dominance through:

1) Call to arms to Swamp of No Hope & Old Sebilis armies (pull the goalie so to speak)

2) launch assault on West and East Cabilis War on two fronts and squeeze em out. Cabilis with it's multiple entrances (including Veksar port) would be a cinch.

3) With Iksar's erradicated, the knock out Firiona Vie and the Overthere Outpost with ease (I mean look at how defensible and well armed these are?!)

Antonica Domination Plan:

1) Squash inner turmoil with undead Frogloks (unless an alliance can be reached. basically surrender or die by fire)

2) Grobb would be easily overran by sheer numbers

3) Oggok would face the same fate as Grobb.

4) With these difficult armies squashed, you have now carved a foothold in Antonica. Time to import some army. Through carrier, establish communication with Kunark outposts. Have the Overtehere Outpost send reinforcements (remember, Frogloks procreate quickly!)

5) Combine forces at Oasis and begin the march on East Freeport (Objective #1 to lock down port to Butcherblock, an important part of launching the Faydwer assault)

6) Leave behind a small squadron to lock down EC tunnel to prevent being blindsided.

7) After tactically smashing the Humans of Freeport, they would storm westward decimating all opponents in its path. The biggest challenge being the Men of the North. Frogloks are not fans of cold and can weaken them! This would be a tough portion of the journey.

8) Once Antonica and Kunark are held down, the would take a med break and have some R&R before that launch the assault on Odus & Faydwer. But that's a story for another day...

This was very interesting. I especially liked the point of frogloks having a higher reproductive rate. You make a very good case for frogloks to be in the running. However, I think you are overestimating their influence on Kunark. The frogloks of Kunark are scattered and weak. The only formidable froglok would be Ulump Pujluk, but the multiple iksar guild masters would wipe the floor with him

[pasi]

Iksar, and it's not even a contest.

The war is going to be mostly on Antonica and Faydwer. No one is going to give a fuck about Cabilis since the iksars aren't an immediate threat. Furthermore, what are the other races going to do? Take a giant army on a tiny raft to Kunark? Then have that army still have to travel through tons of zones where mob population is out of control due to the fact that no one goes there (Firionia, Swamp of No Hope, Warslik Woods, Lake of Ill Omen).

How about get a port? Oh wait, your army is going to have to run to Karnors or Howling Stones to get an evac to EJ. Better hope your inbred porters who never left the city know which way they want the wind to take em, otherwise you're gonna end up in the Ring of Scale's turf. If they do get it right, hope you enjoy undead gorillas and 50-foot bloodsucking mosquitos, motherfuckers.

You could try making port potions, but Grobb and Oggok are too poor for that and all the Barbarians are lost in the tunnels unable to see.

Seriously, fuck invading Kunark. Those assholes can have Norrath's Africa.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by thieros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The froglok's hold a highly defensible stronghold of Guk (with a bit of inner warring with the undead). And over in Kunark, they have another highly defensible fort in Old Sebilis with fragments of troops scattered throughout Kunark. They are all powerful Warriors, Shamans, Clerics & Wizards. They have leaders and elders. They have powerful weapons, armor & accessories. They wield great spells such as Ice Comet & Envenomed Bolt.

Guk frogloks and Sebilis frogloks are at war.