PRAS THE GRAND MASTER

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like everyone had pixel lust going, including you guys. Nothing to be ashamed of it is a game of pixels. Simulated repop gave everyone plenty to go after.

we had the "let's not fight 23v70" lust

[Kergan]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have stayed either (I don't think any sane person would). Really no reason for anyone to talk shit on any side, everyone got something and I would consider this primetime weekend simulated repop a success. I think it gives us a little taste of what Velious will be like with so many raid mobs...imagine a simulated repop with all the Velious shit thrown in the mix.

My point is all 3 guilds went for PVE targets instead of each other because even the PVP here is so directly effected by pixels you have to take them when you can get them.

[Andis]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nihilum tried porting to EJ as we were slaying severilous, was an even amount of them and us online

we killed the dragon, and found them scattered around the zone, running around like chickens with their heads cut off

we slew a few of them and then the other 20 or so plugged/ported/gated out, and we moved on to trakanon expecting both red dawn and nihilum to come contest it

nihilum went to VP to hide, so after we killed trakanon we went to plane of fear to fight red dawn

we brought 23 people and they had somewhere around 35 people, and just before the fight someone mentioned nihilum had 30 something people in feerrott on their way

we offered red dawn to team up to fight nihilum, to which they declined, and mid-fight against red dawn 33+ nihilum zoned in, so we zoned out and found out that nihilum and red dawn were holding hands

nihilum allowed red dawn to kill dracoliche while they took cazic thule

was exciting to see the prospect of a 3 guild server happening, reminded me of fun times on VZTZ, but i guess the rest of the server feels the need to ally against the smallest guild

so no, pvp didn't really happen as both other guilds avoided it

pras cwall

time to tag up friend

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nihilum tried porting to EJ as we were slaying severilous, was an even amount of them and us online

we killed the dragon, and found them scattered around the zone, running around like chickens with their heads cut off

we slew a few of them and then the other 20 or so plugged/ported/gated out, and we moved on to trakanon expecting both red dawn and nihilum to come contest it

nihilum went to VP to hide, so after we killed trakanon we went to plane of fear to fight red dawn

we brought 23 people and they had somewhere around 35 people, and just before the fight someone mentioned nihilum had 30 something people in feerrott on their way

we offered red dawn to team up to fight nihilum, to which they declined, and mid-fight against red dawn 33+ nihilum zoned in, so we zoned out and found out that nihilum and red dawn were holding hands

nihilum allowed red dawn to kill dracoliche while they took cazic thule

was exciting to see the prospect of a 3 guild server happening, reminded me of fun times on VZTZ, but i guess the rest of the server feels the need to ally against the smallest guild

so no, pvp didn't really happen as both other guilds avoided it

Yikes lot of inaccuracies here not sure where to even begin my incoming epic heartbrand essay.

1) Azrael left RD without ever speaking to me first about their decision. When we agreed to merge into one, it was to be a strong united guild. We lost several members, if not 10+ over this to Nihilum due to the "interesting" nature of some of AZ's players. We accepted that for the "greater good" of contesting. Then AZ basically stabbed us in the back by deguilding and leaving us with a depleted force which we have had to restock.

2) I spoke with most of AZ over the course of the last week and they all basically said they disliked the decision by Lite but that they felt they owed Lite their loyalty, which is 100% fine and respectable. I suggested a brand new guild tag, co-leadership, etc., but it was all shot down. I was told AZ wanted to be their own crew. The problem with this is that it creates unnecessary confusion, rivalries amongst guilds, the option to "end" the pact at any time, the issue of if player a burns bridges in Red Dawn <cough slathar> they can show up tagged AZ and be raiding with us 5 minutes later, differing philosophies on known cheaters such as Brainz, etc. A long term alliance wasn't tenable, especially with AZ admitting to me that their goal in velious is to be an elite pvp squad. Velious requires you to gear up to progress further, if you put gear on people like salem WHO I LIKE, it won't help you kill the next dragon if they're not there.

3) Because of this we agreed to return Red Dawn to it's roots, it's charter, it's message etc. We have rebuilt around our core and new blue players. This is a PVE progression first guild, with the hope of contesting all the time when we're at that point, and in a fun respectable manner.

4) No one from AZ ever approached me yesterday about allying for CT, but how would it have been any different than allying with Nilly? Either way it is a huge zerg of 2 vs 1. Are you mad we chose them over you? Allying with AZ would turn us into a feeder guild for AZ. It means allying with the people who just backstabbed us, who my members told me they DONT want to play with, it means lite picking our members off, and eventually following lite around until he inevitably burns out for the 27th time, which brings me to the next point.

Azrael people keep talking about "scraps" and being a "feeder" guild to Nihilum, but yet they would want Red Dawn to be a feeder guild to Azrael and call the shots. With Nihilum it's a gentlemen's agreement, there's no "alliance" or anything difficult to monitor such as weekly politics and lite's period. There's no numerous questions to be asked about loot systems or calls. It's simple and easy. With Azrael it's constant confusion of what lite will decide this week. if he doesn't give it the lite mexican stamp of approval, Azrael isn't logging in. If someone gets mad about loot, everything crumbles. It's chaos.

I made the call that makes the most sense for my guild BOTH short term and long term, to build Red Dawn as Red Dawn. I've seen Lite make 17 variations of Azrael now. Red Dawn will be here a year from now. Azrael? Who knows. A GM decision they don't like? Rage quit protest. Lite deported? Azrael dead. Lite finally banned for boxing? Azrael dead. It's a bunch of on again off again players. It was an easy call.

Best of luck.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we offered red dawn to team up to fight nihilum, to which they declined, and mid-fight against red dawn 33+ nihilum zoned in, so we zoned out and found out that nihilum and red dawn were holding hands

Like we were gonna stop nihilum trying to stop you from cockblocking us in fear lol

[Colgate]

[Sun Feb 16 19:23:23 2014] Chopper shouts, 'so'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:24 2014] Novus shouts, 'we gonna fight nihilum together?'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:32 2014] Novus shouts, 'or what ?'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:37 2014] Chopper shouts, 'get some'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:41 2014] Chopper shouts, '3 way battle'

my line of thought was:
group to stomp nihilum together
after the fight, recuperate and then fight eachother for CT/draco

but naw, we received word mid-fight that nilly and red dawn were planning on holding hands, then nilly zones in, so we peace out

i also asked as soon as the server repops if red dawn was working with azrael, in hopes that they would both make an effort to squash nihilum, and was told "no, azrael is kos"

but yeah 0 inaccuracies in my post

[Kergan]

I think this is the only way we have any chance at 3 decent guilds on this server at it's current point.

Guild 1, Nihilum: the established top guild, mostly PVE focused. Will do whatever it takes to get top end raid targets.
Guild 2, Red Dawn: Guild in the building phase, not ready to contest high end raid targets. Content with building the core guild with solid players and getting low end raid targets for now.
Guild 3, Azrael: Small group of high level veteran players that focus on PVP and pick off an occasional PVE target.

I think it's clear there is no way we're going to have 3 "Nihilum" guilds here. Or even two at this point. But options are good and the more playstyles we can attract and have a place for (guild 1: hardcore raiding, guild 2: casual raiding, guild 3: hardcore pvp) the better chance we have at population growth.

The fact that simulated repops WORKED last night should have us all fucking high 5ing not going after each other. Too much to ask?

[heartbrand]

ya some shout is clearly the way you negotiate things like this good diplomacy imo

[Zoolander]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we offered red dawn to team up to fight nihilum, to which they declined, and mid-fight against red dawn 33+ nihilum zoned in, so we zoned out and found out that nihilum and red dawn were holding hands

nihilum allowed red dawn to kill dracoliche while they took cazic thule

was exciting to see the prospect of a 3 guild server happening, reminded me of fun times on VZTZ, but i guess the rest of the server feels the need to ally against the smallest guild

so no, pvp didn't really happen as both other guilds avoided it

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[Twainz]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sun Feb 16 19:23:23 2014] Chopper shouts, 'so'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:24 2014] Novus shouts, 'we gonna fight nihilum together?'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:32 2014] Novus shouts, 'or what ?'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:37 2014] Chopper shouts, 'get some'
[Sun Feb 16 19:23:41 2014] Chopper shouts, '3 way battle'

my line of thought was:
group to stomp nihilum together
after the fight, recuperate and then fight eachother for CT/draco

but naw, we received word mid-fight that nilly and red dawn were planning on holding hands, then nilly zones in, so we peace out

i also asked as soon as the server repops if red dawn was working with azrael, in hopes that they would both make an effort to squash nihilum, and was told "no, azrael is kos"

Hey guys, I know we poached a bunch of your members and took a bunch of loot we could not of got on our own, but lets be friends so we can dick you over on loot again.

Very surprised Red Dawn didn't ally with Azrael lol