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[Barahir]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid rules and play nice policy are very clear and defined for the server, and don't say anything about requiring a rotation within a tier. A subset of the guilds within the R tier agreed to a rotation, but that doesn't give them the right to impose it on everyone else out there.

Just because some people currently don't want to partake in an optional and non-GM-enforced rotation, how does that make them assholes? If a guild doesn't want to partake in a rotation, that's their choice and it's for them to live with the benefits and/or consequences in-game.

Really the only "assholes" I see here are the ones that have decided that anyone who doesn't agree with their style of play are assholes and need to be called out.

The problem is that every guild in class R has gotten together and agreed to do a rotation. Every R class guild has sought to work with every other R class guild to make raiding better for everyone. Every guild except for one guild, which some how things they are just going to steam roll things and dominate the server. That is the old way which everyone who wasn't that guild hated. The vast majority of the player base does not want that, the server admins do not want that.

The competition that they seem to be wanting is there, there are class C mobs and there are FFA mobs anyone can go after those mobs. Class R mobs are the mobs that pretty much every class R guild has agreed to rotate.

Their plan would cause problems if the execution were up to par, but the way things are now there is one group of people getting hurt by their actions. It's just absurd to act like there is nothing long.

[Fysts]

I find it amusing that r-class on several occasions blamed c-class for dictating raid rules, yet are now trying to dictate their own. Dojo is a r-class guild, they have every right to engage any r-class targer. Just because you have a rotation, does not give you the right to force it upon others, or you are no different than c-class. Guess you now have to prioritize your rotation target, and not ffa mobs first, or risk losing them, just as c-class does. Rock on dojo and gluck.

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by Barahir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that every guild in class R has gotten together and agreed to do a rotation.

Some of them, not every one. Once again, the opinions of some can't just be imposed on others.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of them, not every one. Once again, the opinions of some can't just be imposed on others.

So it is okay for Dojo to impose their opinion on how raiding should be done within Tier R on 7-8 other guilds though?

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So it is okay for Dojo to impose their opinion on how raiding should be done within Tier R on 7-8 other guilds though?

Doljo isn't imposing anything on anyone. They're just operating within how the game and this server have been set up by default.

[Barahir]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of them, not every one. Once again, the opinions of some can't just be imposed on others.

Did you not read what I said or did you intentionally only quote part of what I said?


Basically it sounds to me like you'd be completely okay with 1 or 2 guilds disregarding the sky rotation

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by Barahir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you not read what I said or did you intentionally only quote part of what I said?


Basically it sounds to me like you'd be completely okay with 1 or 2 guilds disregarding the sky rotation

Sky is a bit trickier of a situation and I can see how it might require some coordination, I'll agree with that. My points were just in regards to the general raid mobs, for which Doljo was getting flak for going after.

I'm not even necessarily against a rotation, it was just bothering me the bullshit being spewed Doljo's way.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid rules and play nice policy are very clear and defined for the server, and don't say anything about requiring a rotation within a tier. A subset of the guilds within the R tier agreed to a rotation, but that doesn't give them the right to impose it on everyone else out there.

Just because some people currently don't want to partake in an optional and non-GM-enforced rotation, how does that make them assholes? If a guild doesn't want to partake in a rotation, that's their choice and it's for them to live with the benefits and/or consequences in-game.

Really the only "assholes" I see here are the ones that have decided that anyone who doesn't agree with their style of play are assholes and need to be called out.

I actually wasn't calling them assholes. I was referring to the people who have such hate for djolniblablabla.

[chief]

competition is dead on this server doesnt this newb guild know this

[Fysts]

Oh and btw if the new raid rules were to dictate a rotation in r-class there would never have been a lockout rule. Put this in before you claimed the r-class was designed for rotation.