What is BDA doing to work towards a raid agreement?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

before 'negotiations' the hardcore guilds got almost all of the mobs and the casuals got almost nothing. during the global suspension, everyone gets nothing, so how are the hardcores being rewarded?

the hardcores are happy to give up at least some mobs to the rest of the server, so we ARE giving up something. the details of higher end mobs are contested, but can be negotiated.

even before the gm forced negotiations, fe was drafting a server raid plan.

on the last day before the global suspension, ~6 guilds were mobilizing for a CT pop. FE could have 'zerged' him down within a few minutes of him spawning, but leadership adamantly insisted on waiting 20 minutes to let other guilds engage. Taken got a chance to go in and rush CT, BDA members were zoning in, and about 90 other players were sitting in The Feerrott. After CT died another guild (Azure Guard?) zoned in, and we offered to rez their dead when they asked if they could drag corpses to us. FE wants a fun, competitive raid scene, and we are actively working for that with our words and actions.

we were zoning in to assist to Taken, BDA was still on 2hour lockout remember?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) the hardcore guilds are giving up nothing in these negotiations, in fact they are currently being rewarded for their behavior in the endgame. Things were shut down because of all the comPETITION and now the shitshow they've propagated is being used to say "we compete super hard, and you don't compete, so you don't deserve mobs"

2) something else learned at a young age, sharing, which I guess hasn't been learned from your side either

3) I don't give two fucks about what any individual thinks about me. I'm in these negotiations to represent the best interests of BDA and now I'm taking up the mantle of the casual as well. All of these agreements are stilted to benefit the hardcore guilds, and don't even acknowledge any guild that could be up and coming. The casuals are squarely behind rogean's plan which would give 7 guilds a 50% split of the mobs outside of VP. That's very little pie to divvy up, and even less when more guilds eventually form and work their way up to killing dragons, and you know what, we the casuals don't care. We would rather keep dividing the 50% of the pie ever smaller with more people to maintain a casual environment just to stay away from the hardcore shitshow, but apparently the hardcores need even more than 50% to satiate that pixel thirst

You are either lying or really fucking stupid. What plan has the hardcores giving up "nothing" as you put it.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Many of the proposals being agreed upon are giving free mobs to guilds who have never even attempted to kill them/track them. Why is this not enough?

Also, your claims of taking up the mantle lf the casuals is laughable. BDA is the biggest guild on project1999 and would swallow any truly casual guild in head to head competition. This is why you are against any agreement that calls for any head to head competition. Your guild isn't tier 2(too big and capable), and you damn sure aren't tier 1 (unwilling to track/mobilize/compete)

That leaves you with 2 options, agree to compete with guilds on your level (fe/ib/tmo, also why you oppose them at every turn) ..or stomp feet till server is devoid of competition.

many guilds have refused to track mobs simply because of the environment that has persisted for a very long time, stop trying to make the argument that because a guild refused to sink to that low level of "competing" means they don't deserve to see content

bda doesn't want to swallow any casual guilds, we only want to raid without having to worry about all the BS that has been the root cause of the problems in the endgame

[Handull]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taken doesn't want to sock Inny, they only did so because of the environment that was created by TMO/FE. They got tired of being trained each time so their hand was forced. I was there for the Full Circle FTE, in fact I was the one that ordered BDA to hate to provide support for the cause after everyone let Full Circle sock unbothered until TMO showed up and wanted to sit on the spawn point too, also actions dictated by the environment TMO created and they basically won the coin flip. I'm not willing to tolerate that type of raiding environment any longer. Full Circle's Inny sock is the current day VS sock where FE/TMO sit on VS for 100+ hours for a coin flip, how is that possibly sane and/or "competing" and that's the main problem with the hardcore mindset.

my point is you say vp is the true endgame, and I'm saying that easily over 50% of BiS gear does NOT come from VP. Feel free to give your definition, but I would say End Game = Best in Slot. If VP was a key-less zone the server would want to share that as well.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, you call it effort, i call it the toxic raid scene that i don't think deserves to be rewarded


I won't make an agreement on maybes (reduced variance, anti shithead coding)

It's not maybes, it's going to happen.

I'll summon sirken if you wish, or deru, or ambrotos, and I'd say Nilbog and Rogean, but they're usually busy as hell.

So everything you consider toxic is being done away with (poopsocking, alt armies, training) and you're sitting here being hung up on it. The only way they are going to start removing this is when a proposal is agreed on.

Edit: Variance will be reduced as well, but I can't say by how much or in what increments once guilds are done poopsocking/raid spawn camping (hopefully because any guild that does it ends up being hit with a guild disband).

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my point is you say vp is the true endgame, and I'm saying that easily over 50% of BiS gear does NOT come from VP. Feel free to give your definition, but I would say End Game = Best in Slot. If VP was a key-less zone the server would want to share that as well.

I will gladly share Nexona/Druushk/Xygoz/Silverwing lol

[Handull]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we were zoning in to assist to Taken, BDA was still on 2hour lockout remember?

/applause?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/applause?

ask Taken, we were all in the FE vent when it happened, thanks for the applause though

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will gladly share Nexona/Druushk/Xygoz/Silverwing lol

sounds good to me. we definitely need a separate vp agreement to avoid hate and rage, and rotating the ones that dont drop much would be a great start. hopefully leadership from both sides can come to an agreement on this kind of thing. and if we do a partial rotation, we can easily put in an engage time limit and allow any other guilds to compete with us if they wish, despite us not competing with each other. /cheer for getting along

[Handull]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ask Taken, we were all in the FE vent when it happened, thanks for the applause though

just don't know what to say to your comment, i was saying that we waited to promote competition, and you sounded defensive. we didn't care who engaged CT, so long as they didn't train us. I'm glad to hear other guilds were trying to work together, its the same reason FE and IB work together, its fun and we get more done. /cheer^2 for guilds getting along.