The Deru' Plan C discussion

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Art, i apologize if i misinterpret. Even with fte shouts, sirken noted this mess began because every kill involved a petition, and that was when only feib and tmo were participating. With plan c, we are about to go right back to the same "competition". Why would tier2 guilds involve themselves in that?

First and most im von and i think u know me from grouping alot .
i think u are rigth most TMO/ FE meembers i think are tired of forum questin and frapsquestion and petition quest.


What happened to tmo well it happened . but as i see it i think its time to keep some form of civilized competition btwm guilds but at same time without the old cuthroads wars
and give some stuff to smaller guilds .


from every post i have read over last weeks there havent been a single one trying actualy to get a play nice raid politic .

i think than competition still viable but without popsocks and pre camps .

i see vp free of trains a excelent idea , never liked it .

for once i would love a official post from gms guild leaders to agree some rules of competition for the server but as a work to see if was possible to devise a friendly way to develop some form of competition.


Because lets be honests , what most people want is free pixels as fast is possible and in hugue ammount fuck qualitys.

would i like to see bda kill PD? yeah, the same way i did laughed me ass when actualy FE beat us for it .

and Taken yeah ? and everyone who put some interest and effort.


and know why? because people who try to race or atleats try it show he is here to stay for the long run no just for / xxx loot and quits and call platlord so some eqmac can buy a account like i haven watching lately .

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With plan c, we are about to go right back to the same "competition". Why would tier2 guilds involve themselves in that?

How does Plan C do this...?

[Ataxio]

Can we just pick one like how I picked our guild name by throwing a dart at a piece of paper with multiple choices on it?

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does Plan C do this...?

Because any 'plan' that does not just hand out mobs and loot like a vending machine is too much competition for them. I had hoped some 'B' guilds would stand up and realize their potential. I am looking at you again AG, my Veeshan pride and knowing what you guys where lend me to believe in you guys. I will gladly join AG on any one of my raiding characters and give any advice, strats etc. That I can to help you guys grow.

I will give some more of my 'leet info' tomorrow when I get on a comp and not my phone. But to tease, TMO wants people to compete with...and 'the shitted up raid scene' was not one guilds doing...well it kinda was, just kinda like how Macs sleeper got woken, hint there folks...not TMO.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does Plan C do this...?

Because people comment and hate on the perceived rather than the actual.

I've explained numerous times that the 10/20 plan gave more mobs per guild than divinity's. However, 10 days of top mobs isn't enough, must be even Steven.

[falkun]

Fine hitpoint. Develop some rules where competition isnt fte, fraps, and petitionquest and tier2 can agree. Otherwise any forced competition is the status quo.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fine hitpoint. Develop some rules where competition isnt fte, fraps, and petitionquest and tier2 can agree. Otherwise any forced competition is the status quo.

It's not though. New TMO has already shown to be much more amicable than the old leadership. I have a lot of hope for the raid scene tbh, even with all this going on. I wouldn't be surprised if a guild council could actually police themselves at this point. Maybe I'm being too optimistic. We'll see.

[Tegellan]

We have 5000 people from all different timezones/ parts of the world.
The staff has asked everyone to come together and agree on how we should proceed with the raid scene.

I dont think you could get 10 people to agree nevermind 5000. Everyone naturally wants more then they "should" get.

At some point the GMS/Staff are going to have to step in and say "this is what we are doing" or the server will begin to shrink at a rapid pace when no one can raid and all the "good" camps are imposible to get. (the other day I ran to see if PS came was open.. there was a line of 3 people behind the person who was actually camping it)


I think a few things are obvious now.

1) GMs will have to step in and decide on what the raid scene will be
2) As soon as a decision is reached the population will drop (at least for now). If the rules favor the casual group. You will see a lot of the top guilds leave the game or at least the bulk of the members. If they favor the raiders you will see a few casual players leave (altho not a lot as they played when they were getting 0 mobs).. eitherway 1 or all sides will feel they got screwed.


As much as I am sure the intentions were good and I think Sirken and the GM staff have done a great job (far better then I ever could). I personally believe putting this on the player base was a bad idea. People on both sides will hold the server hostage now. The Casual players have the mindset of "we were not doing much raids before so we can hold out longer then those that were raiding" and the Hardcores have the mindset of "We can sit at our computer for hours on end tracking.. we certainly have the drive/willpower to hold out as long as needed.

Neither side is going to budge.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Tegellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have 5000 people from all different timezones/ parts of the world.
The staff has asked everyone to come together and agree on how we should proceed with the raid scene.

I dont think you could get 10 people to agree nevermind 5000. Everyone naturally wants more then they "should" get.

At some point the GMS/Staff are going to have to step in and say "this is what we are doing" or the server will begin to shrink at a rapid pace when no one can raid and all the "good" camps are imposible to get. (the other day I ran to see if PS came was open.. there was a line of 3 people behind the person who was actually camping it)


I think a few things are obvious now.

1) GMs will have to step in and decide on what the raid scene will be
2) As soon as a decision is reached the population will drop (at least for now). If the rules favor the casual group. You will see a lot of the top guilds leave the game or at least the bulk of the members. If they favor the raiders you will see a few casual players leave (altho not a lot as they played when they were getting 0 mobs).. eitherway 1 or all sides will feel they got screwed.


As much as I am sure the intentions were good and I think Sirken and the GM staff have done a great job (far better then I ever could). I personally believe putting this on the player base was a bad idea. People on both sides will hold the server hostage now. The Casual players have the mindset of "we were not doing much raids before so we can hold out longer then those that were raiding" and the Hardcores have the mindset of "We can sit at our computer for hours on end tracking.. we certainly have the drive/willpower to hold out as long as needed.

Neither side is going to budge.

Jesus u nailed it finnaly someone who understand both sides

[Tycko]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not though. New TMO has already shown to be much more amicable than the old leadership. I have a lot of hope for the raid scene tbh, even with all this going on. I wouldn't be surprised if a guild council could actually police themselves at this point. Maybe I'm being too optimistic. We'll see.

news flash, the same people running tmo the last 6-12 months are the same ones reforming it.

the root cause of this entire cluster f___ has yet to be identified and fixed.

edit: Oh yeah, and happy new year