Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Ungriim]

The major flaw I see in Alarti's proposal is that you're still denying 6 classes of epics outside of your own guild - edit outside of IB/FE/TMO

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ungriim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The major flaw I see in Alarti's proposal is that you're still denying 6 classes of epics outside of your own guild - edit outside of IB/FE/TMO

Not denied. Earned. There has to be some reward for a effort based system too. This is a happy compromise imo. Most people didn't get epics until well into Velious. This is why alot of epics were changed to have more obtainable parts, Bard/Wiz/Dru/Ranger etc.

@lazcar this is a compromise not a fully casual raid scene. Taken if they had VP keys could kill in VP too. Any guild can kill trakanon or VS/CT. To make it competitive... can you beat TMO/FE/IB to them?

[Derubael]

the other option i can see would be a 2 hr/2 mob rule.

if you were to take ct/vs/trak:

ct - tmo kills - > fe/ib kills -> 'casual scum' kill here
trak - fe/ib kills - > tmo kills -> 'casual scum' kill here
vs - tmo kills -> fe/ib kills -> 'casual scum' kill here

in practice, I think alarti's proposal would mean more mobs overall for the 'casual scum'. but I guess this way all the targets would be open to at least 1 'casual scum' kill a month.

**edit** alarti's proposal doesn't 'lock out' any guilds. if bda wants trak/vs/ct (ie, the 'top mobs') they can still compete on those mobs.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the other option i can see would be a 2 hr/2 mob rule.

if you were to take ct/vs/trak:

ct - tmo kills - > fe/ib kills -> 'casual scum' kill here
trak - fe/ib kills - > tmo kills -> 'casual scum' kill here
vs - tmo kills -> fe/ib kills -> 'casual scum' kill here

in practice, I think alarti's proposal would mean more mobs overall for the 'casual scum'. but I guess this way all the targets would be open to at least 1 'casual scum' kill a month.

**edit** alarti's proposal doesn't 'lock out' any guilds. if bda wants trak/vs/ct (ie, the 'top mobs') they can still compete on those mobs.

Yaa too much rotation. That will just become a 3 guild rotation in time... then eventually a 4 guild rotation and so on.

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the other option i can see would be a 2 hr/2 mob rule.

if you were to take ct/vs/trak:

ct - tmo kills - > fe/ib kills -> 'casual scum' kill here
trak - fe/ib kills - > tmo kills -> 'casual scum' kill here
vs - tmo kills -> fe/ib kills -> 'casual scum' kill here

in practice, I think alarti's proposal would mean more mobs overall for the 'casual scum'. but I guess this way all the targets would be open to at least 1 'casual scum' kill a month.

**edit** alarti's proposal doesn't 'lock out' any guilds. if bda wants trak/vs/ct (ie, the 'top mobs') they can still compete on those mobs.

Well the "casual scum" is in 90% of the cases BDA, so it would just be a 3 way rotation with BDA anyways... not any better.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the "casual scum" is in 90% of the cases BDA, so it would just be a 3 way rotation with BDA anyways... not any better.

You guys are counting out Taken without even giving them a chance. It also makes the barrier of entry on every 'casual scum' kill much, much less difficult. Would BDA take most of the 'casual scum' kills? MAYBE at first. but at least people looking to enter and get kills would be on a closer mobilization/numbers/organization level to their competition.

by the logic you guys are using, BDA is just going to get all the 'casual' targets in alartis proposal anyway, right?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"remaining competitive" is the problem. you don't even realize what is going on. IT IS NOT COMPETITIVE. you guys don't even know what that means anymore.

tracking for 4 days, bat-phoning at 4am, logging in fully buffed characters at the mob spawn point, and then trying to dick over the other guild by using shady ass FTE tactics, then to run logs, have camera crews working fraps angles, and to pretty much post a giant ass petition AND / OR RNF thread about the encounter as standard procedures.

=not competing, but rather being psychotic, and about pixels

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are counting out Taken without even giving them a chance. It also makes the barrier of entry on every 'casual scum' kill much, much less difficult. Would BDA take most of the 'casual scum' kills? MAYBE at first. but at least people looking to enter and get kills would be on a closer mobilization/numbers/organization level to their competition.

by the logic you guys are using, BDA is just going to get all the 'casual' targets in alartis proposal anyway, right?

Nothing would stop the Casuals from "rotating" these mobs as they have preached for years.

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are counting out Taken without even giving them a chance. It also makes the barrier of entry on every 'casual scum' kill much, much less difficult. Would BDA take most of the 'casual scum' kills? MAYBE at first. but at least people looking to enter and get kills would be on a closer mobilization/numbers/organization level to their competition.

by the logic you guys are using, BDA is just going to get all the 'casual' targets in alartis proposal anyway, right?

A rotation system does not take into account the relative effort people put in. Yes, Tmo would be happy to share targets with FE/IB, but I don't think it is fair to tmo or FE/Ib that any third party get 33%, and yes I do think BDA would get the majority of that 3 way rotation.

There is no reason why we couldn't have tmo and FE/IB to give up entirely on some dragons, while allowing the casual scum a chance at more highly sought after mobs, every once in a while (thinking VS, Trak, CT, etc) no more than 20% of the time, which gives FE/IB and tmo or really any other guild the chance to hit those targets the remaining 80% of the time.

Also, to alleviate stress on GMs, there could be a created guild council in which the top guilds could bring up any raid disputes for mediation before bringing it up to GMs.

[Ungriim]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no reason why we couldn't have tmo and FE/IB to give up entirely on some dragons, while allowing the casual scum a chance at more highly sought after mobs, every once in a while (thinking VS, Trak, CT, etc) no more than 20% of the time, which gives FE/IB and tmo or really any other guild the chance to hit those targets the remaining 80% of the time.

This is pretty much what I'm proposing - If you raid all the time, take a fucking break once a month and let other people get some mobs. You can still have your FTE wars in VP, and it would be giving up roughly 20% of mobs to the other 700 players on the server.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Fazlazen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, to alleviate stress on GMs, there could be a created guild council in which the top guilds could bring up any raid disputes for mediation before bringing it up to GMs.

stop making sense, sentenza. it's ruining your rep with the staff.