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[Byrjun]

Not sure if attacking Rogean is the best course of action right now.

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by kbnexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He was talking to rogean not you. If ROGEAN wanted us to have a rotation etc... it would happen.

His point still stands, you weren't actually open to ideas because the people who were presenting them were not taken seriously or shot down. The only reason why Rogean is any different in this regard is because he has the ability to force change. That's telling in and of itself that you defer to Rogean and nobody else when it's players not staff that participate in the raid scene.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Millburn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His point still stands, you weren't actually open to ideas because the people who were presenting them were not taken seriously or shot down. The only reason why Rogean is any different in this regard is because he has the ability to force change. That's telling in and of itself that you defer to Rogean and nobody else when it's players not staff that participate in the raid scene.

Why is that hard to understand? All previous #1 guilds on this server have historically behaved in the exact same manner when it comes to dominating raid content. The only reason we are different is because we have done it the longest.

I dont mind the haters, but Rogean should know that there is better ways to address raid concerns than this. And to reward a bunch of raid rule violating flunkies like IB and FE fresh off a legitimate raid suspension of 5 days after multiple raid violations is a complete joke. Impeccable timing.

[Millburn]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is that hard to understand? All previous #1 guilds on this server have historically behaved in the exact same manner when it comes to dominating raid content. The only reason we are different is because we have done it the longest.

I dont mind the haters, but Rogean should know that there is better ways to address raid concerns than this. And to reward a bunch of raid rule violating flunkies like IB and FE fresh off a legitimate raid suspension of 5 days after multiple raid violations is a complete joke.

Your predecessors doing it isn't actually justification for doing it yourself. You know that as well as anybody else does. This isn't some court of law that goes off precedence, it's a server ran by a couple people to relive an old nostalgic experience. Have some decency and play as such. See you in 4 weeks duder, have a nice holiday.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is that hard to understand? All previous #1 guilds on this server have historically behaved in the exact same manner when it comes to dominating raid content. The only reason we are different is because we have done it the longest.

I dont mind the haters, but Rogean should know that there is better ways to address raid concerns than this. And to reward a bunch of raid rule violating flunkies like IB and FE fresh off a legitimate raid suspension of 5 days after multiple raid violations is a complete joke. Impeccable timing.

The recent events are so severe that the leadership has to be held accountable as well. You shouldn't have a guild so loosely managed that this can happen. I understand you want to have toons camped at every spawn for a quick reaction force. This is the result of letting everyone have access to those accounts. If you ran a tighter ship perhaps those individuals wouldn't of had access and perhaps all that platinum wouldn't have gotten dupe'd.

A manager is responsible for his/her's employees actions. A Guild Leader is responsible for his guild's actions. And all officer's are an extension of the Guild Leader. It's time to take a look at your leadership and decide who the raid leaders are and who the real leaders are.

I'm a vet btw so I'm not just talking out my ass about leadership.

[cyryllis]

actually a manager is not responsible for his/her employee's actions. That is why when employees fuck up they are fired and replaced

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually a manager is not responsible for his/her employee's actions. That is why when employees fuck up they are fired and replaced

So would the manager if the actions were severe or reoccurring. Manager is always responsible. What world do you live in?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually a manager is not responsible for his/her employee's actions. That is why when employees fuck up they are fired and replaced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually a manager is not responsible for his/her employee's actions. That is why when employees fuck up they are fired and replaced

I've personally seen multiple departments CLEANED OUT, including the managers when there has been group malfeasance and not just one company either.

In fact, in 2 other cases that I have personal knowledge of, the individual responsible AND the manager were fired when corruption took place over a long period. The reason in both cases was the same: the manager should have known.

So, talk out your ass some more. We are waiting.

[BlackTriad]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a vet btw so I'm not just talking out my ass about leadership.

Thank you for protecting us.