Thank you to FE/IB

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must have me confused with someone else. I've never even debated you on such a topic.

Your memory is inaccurate, unless of course you were talking about your inability to come up with a cogent response as "not debating" if so then I concede your point.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and one guild has several shiny pixels to show for it, and the other has zilch.

I do not understand FE/IB's grief strategy in VP. Merkk is simply kidding himself if he thinks a 3 hour delay is seriously upsetting anyone in TMO. Three weeks, maybe. Even if your strategy was working, the vast majority of people are not psychopathic enough to find griefing emotionally fulfilling. It's one thing to post a troll post on RNF; it's another to spend hours and hours of time doing nothing but preventing other people from getting things done. VD tried it and failed. FE tried it and failed last winter. It is a dumb strategy and I see no reason why it will work this time.

Why are you not attempting to kill the dragons yourselves? You guys are killing Trakanon so much (and IB has so many keyed players) that you must have 100+ keys. You should be able to batphone sufficient players to kill anything in there. So what if you fail and get corpse camped. At least your players will know that a) you're trying and possibly even b) making progress. I don't play any FD classes, but I imagine that actually pulling a dragon solo to the zone in and training away guards is both different and more difficult than just dropping a bunch of wurms on the zone in. The closer you come, the more people will be willing to batphone.

They had 90+ keyed members in Feb. Without the IB resurgence. Of course you need to adjust for members who left, but still.

[Alarti0001]

Also as a sidenote. TMO would have no problem with FE members training us all day if they actually brought their raid force to kill mobs too.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and one guild has several shiny pixels to show for it, and the other has zilch.

I do not understand FE/IB's grief strategy in VP. Merkk is simply kidding himself if he thinks a 3 hour delay is seriously upsetting anyone in TMO. Three weeks, maybe. Even if your strategy was working, the vast majority of people are not psychopathic enough to find griefing emotionally fulfilling. It's one thing to post a troll post on RNF; it's another to spend hours and hours of time doing nothing but preventing other people from getting things done. VD tried it and failed. FE tried it and failed last winter. It is a dumb strategy and I see no reason why it will work this time.

Why are you not attempting to kill the dragons yourselves? You guys are killing Trakanon so much (and IB has so many keyed players) that you must have 100+ keys. You should be able to batphone sufficient players to kill anything in there. So what if you fail and get corpse camped. At least your players will know that a) you're trying and possibly even b) making progress. I don't play any FD classes, but I imagine that actually pulling a dragon solo to the zone in and training away guards is both different and more difficult than just dropping a bunch of wurms on the zone in. The closer you come, the more people will be willing to batphone.

We started in VP 2-3 weeks ago, killed one dragon and have had many attempts since. We will have many more - the difference is that I really do not see the need to subject an entire raidforce to what potentially (and usually) amounts to 5 hour or more CRs to get items that are not even that amazing. Especially as our countertrainers are not yet as experienced as TMOs.

As for our small train force - it both builds experience in the zone and is somewhat fun; much more so than staring at a wall tracking for hours on end at the least. VP is all about manipulating pathing - as Zeelot pinged Silverwing and PD around the zoneportal today interruping their AEs for 30 seconds until his raidforce was ready to engage shows.

Perhaps if you went in there under the pressure of having to learn how it worked, instead of just tagging along for free rots, you might understand that it is a bad idea to throw people in there that have relatively little experience with the zone and its current mechanics.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, and one guild has several shiny pixels to show for it, and the other has zilch.

I do not understand FE/IB's grief strategy in VP. Merkk is simply kidding himself if he thinks a 3 hour delay is seriously upsetting anyone in TMO. Three weeks, maybe. Even if your strategy was working, the vast majority of people are not psychopathic enough to find griefing emotionally fulfilling. It's one thing to post a troll post on RNF; it's another to spend hours and hours of time doing nothing but preventing other people from getting things done. VD tried it and failed. FE tried it and failed last winter. It is a dumb strategy and I see no reason why it will work this time.

Why are you not attempting to kill the dragons yourselves? You guys are killing Trakanon so much (and IB has so many keyed players) that you must have 100+ keys. You should be able to batphone sufficient players to kill anything in there. So what if you fail and get corpse camped. At least your players will know that a) you're trying and possibly even b) making progress. I don't play any FD classes, but I imagine that actually pulling a dragon solo to the zone in and training away guards is both different and more difficult than just dropping a bunch of wurms on the zone in. The closer you come, the more people will be willing to batphone.

whoa-k sak, you're alil out of touch, most the members loate 15 min kills in vp, let alone 3, 5, 10 etc. hours. We did eventually stop last year but you have no idea on the circumstances why. Go back to dieing in HS solo'ing shit alone. How is that much diff than less than 1 group extending tmo raids a few hours in terms of what is fun for you?

Just think if something spawned while a member who would usually be tracking is waiting for a rez... Or a person who used up their playtime then can play later but doesn't wanna track... Yes its working and yes you don't know what youre talking about.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also as a sidenote. TMO would have no problem with FE members training us all day if they actually brought their raid force to kill mobs too.

its your only triumph as of lately, why take that from you when we already take trak at our leisure? isn't the game more interesting now?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your memory is inaccurate, unless of course you were talking about your inability to come up with a cogent response as "not debating" if so then I concede your point.

Please send me a link to the discussion to which you are referring. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its your only triumph as of lately, why take that from you when we already take trak at our leisure? isn't the game more interesting now?

Merkk. I'm really worried about you. I'm not going to respond to you for a couple days and hopefully give you the time you need to calm down. You are entirely to emotionally invested in this game.

best of luck my friend, I know you are going through some rough times, and I hope you don't take this as RnF splatter that usually happens here.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please send me a link to the discussion to which you are referring. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have 0 interest in delving through this forum to find this link.
Look for it yourself.. it happened so long ago.

[Alarti0001]

Also, be nice to Sakuragi he at least has tanked Hoshkar to a successful kill.