Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are sitting more then 15 minutes in an area without casting a spell / fighting or typing you get flagged "AFK", if you are AFK for another 15 minutes you get disconnected from the server ... tada 80% of the campers go LD every 30 minutes....

There are some easy ways to avoid that and unfortunately it would be through the use of third-party programs. It also doesn't solve the the inherent problem of poopsocking, either. it would require more GM scripting and more work for them to do, which isn't what we're looking for, either.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are sitting more then 15 minutes in an area without casting a spell / fighting or typing you get flagged "AFK", if you are AFK for another 15 minutes you get disconnected from the server ... tada 80% of the campers go LD every 30 minutes....

We need to develop a system that requires no developer/GM intervention or coding.

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We need to develop a system that requires no developer/GM intervention or coding.

I'm pretty sure this has been said by the devs since the beginning, only nobody wants to cooperate with each other. I am all for anything at all that will stop this ridiculous camping bullshit. I hate it. Bring on race wars, make it FFA, I don't care - I want to play the game, not AFK through it.

When I say nobody wants to cooperate, I do mean nobody. Unlike most of you, I'm not making some half-assed, veiled insult to IB or DA. So let's not be petty, and try to actually change things.

I myself am all for FFA. My views are not necessarily the views of my guild, and I do not speak for Dark Ascension.

[Straif]

There are only 2 options...
1) Everyone come together and make a rotation list
2) First Come, First Serve

Let me start by saying, I'm not in the top teir of P99 raiding.
I was back in the day on live, as well as on EQ2. For quite some time I did see it (on both games) unfortunately I managed to do that because I had shit loads of free time. When I had more responsibility and commitments to undertake, I put MMO's on the back burner. I continued to play, but only did so thinking "oh yea, I'll be raiding again soon". That never happened, because raiding is a fucking job, playing MMO's are a job... actually it's fucking slavery because the game takes your time (and money if your playing any type of game with a subscription) to RENT space in an online world.

Think about it: How much bullshit do you put up with in game? And for what? What is it worth?

If people can't play nice and share, fuck it, turn this fucking bitch into a 3rd world country. Fuck play nice rules. If someone is going to sit and camp (or poopsock as you'd say) to alert there guild that mobs are up so they can lock it down, let them.

People won't sacrifice that much and quit. People have done so in other games. This is the reason everything is instanced in every game now. EQ2 for example, everything is instanced except a small percentage of mobs, and only a few guilds lay claim to them by using 24/7 call lists and "poopsockin" the zone.

I think of it as natural selection in the MMO world. The pions will level up 50 different toons cause they genuinely like to play, but there's a massive amount of shit they will never see cause of stuff like this. The elite will lay claim to mobs forcing people out of seeing said content by perma-camping the shit. But you know what? Thats their decision, they go to those lengths, and if GMs / Devs don't see anything wrong with it, than it's the law of the land and everyone else will have to deal with it.

I am among the population in between. I like to casually play and also raid, but not in exchange for my soul sitting in front of a game (on a free server) that went out of style commercially years ago. Someone is clearly going to go to greater lengths to make sure I don't see end game and or have a good time playing. If they aren't willing to change, The rules aren't willing to change, and I can't play a part in stabbing my competition to death or assassinating my predecessor to take his or her place, I simply won't play. Because I realize the fact that I'll never see a good portion of the game, why bother play it?

Theres no money shot. If one were reading a book with 30 chapters, but you only get to read 20 and someone takes the shit away from you, what a fucking waste. It's like having a dick, lots of money, good looks and personality but being too afraid to talk to a woman and dying a virgin when you're fucking 80 years old. Makes no fucking sense....

I quit.

*EDIT*
P.S.
I'm fucking drunk

[Holey]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We need to develop a system that requires no developer/GM intervention or coding.

IKR! AGREE ^

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Uaellaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are sitting more then 15 minutes in an area without casting a spell / fighting or typing you get flagged "AFK", if you are AFK for another 15 minutes you get disconnected from the server ... tada 80% of the campers go LD every 30 minutes....

I'd get booted 15 times a day if that happened, and I don't go near raids. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinbad]

7 day +/- 7 day variance would only lead to 14 day camps and more splitforce multizone camps of the same guilds that are camping shit now..

When variance combined with camping bosses was first proposed, I was a huge detractor. I pointed out that people would be camping shit for a week straight. I pointed out that whoever had a force of people to sit in a zone longest would win. Everyone said "noooo hasbinbad, don't be dumb, people won't be that retarded.." but here we are.

Now you say that a longer variance will fix the problem, I say that it will simply lead to 14 day camps.

We need a completely innovative and player-run solution if there is to be any change. Player-run rotation, player-run boss draft, .. I suggested a weekly duel or some form of weekly pve skill test for 1st draft of bosses, but nobody could agree on anything because everyone's egos were blotting out the light of the sun.

As far as your other ideas, they are pretty far fetched man.. Nobody wants the server to be flooded with loot, the bluebies won't agree to a zone pvp flag system, instancing is retarded, much of it is non-classic or just non-eq in general (this is a classic eq server, if you want custom content, there are many other emus you can join), and all of it requires GM work / intervention, which they have stated they don't wanna do..

I think that the time is ripe for a solution, but I think it should be something that fits within the p99 vision and is player-enforced, otherwise yer just barking at the moon.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

7 day +/- 7 day variance would only lead to 14 day camps and more splitforce multizone camps of the same guilds that are camping shit now..

When variance combined with camping bosses was first proposed, I was a huge detractor. I pointed out that people would be camping shit for a week straight. I pointed out that whoever had a force of people to sit in a zone longest would win. Everyone said "noooo hasbinbad, don't be dumb, people won't be that retarded.." but here we are.

Now you say that a longer variance will fix the problem, I say that it will simply lead to 14 day camps.

We need a completely innovative and player-run solution if there is to be any change. Player-run rotation, player-run boss draft, .. I suggested a weekly duel or some form of weekly pve skill test for 1st draft of bosses, but nobody could agree on anything because everyone's egos were blotting out the light of the sun.

As far as your other ideas, they are pretty far fetched man.. Nobody wants the server to be flooded with loot, the bluebies won't agree to a zone pvp flag system, instancing is retarded, much of it is non-classic or just non-eq in general (this is a classic eq server, if you want custom content, there are many other emus you can join), and all of it requires GM work / intervention, which they have stated they don't wanna do..

I think that the time is ripe for a solution, but I think it should be something that fits within the p99 vision and is player-enforced, otherwise yer just barking at the moon.

Ok who are you and what have you done with Hasbinbad?

There has to be a willingness to at least talk about it. Perhaps a champion system is a good way....

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...some form of weekly pve skill test for 1st draft of bosses

That's the most interesting thing I've seen so far.

Supreme's ranking system has merit imho, too. Both could be fun for the server, and player-run and coordinated so there would be minimal GM interaction.

2nd in line could plausibly wait to see if the first ranked contenders wiped, and if so take the spawn. Each draft 1-4 would have primary shots, and choice on seconds would go to remaining drafts.

[Buhbuh]

Why don't you just setup 1 duel each week between 2 of the same class to decide who will get which mob each week? I'm certain the guilds who aren't getting any of the mobs would be down for it and the ones who are always getting them wouldn't but it's a simple enough idea.

It's like in ancient history when the best warrior or king died from the likes of someone other righteous warrior on the other side, everyone in that sect with the dead king quivered or surrendered at the sheer awesomeness of their skill.

Hahahaha