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Old 10-09-2013, 06:06 PM
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no where on that list do I see seb, chardok, or hole mobs listed
The guy can't tell the future... post is pre-kunark.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:22 PM
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The guy can't tell the future... post is pre-kunark.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:47 PM
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The guy can't tell the future... post is pre-kunark.
We have atleast provided evidence that those are confirmed mobs that could see through Sneak/Hide... How about you post ANY evidence that those aren't the only mobs that could and all these random_00 mobs that can now see through Sneak/Hide do so....
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:52 PM
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We have atleast provided evidence that those are confirmed mobs that could see through Sneak/Hide... How about you post ANY evidence that those aren't the only mobs that could and all these random_00 mobs that can now see through Sneak/Hide do so....
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From the very same post you're citing...

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For example, a level 50 rogue is going to have a much better chance of making it past the bugs in Sol B, then a level 40 Rogue, even if they both have sneak and hide maxed out.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:54 PM
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how come rogue/hide sneak is nerfed on blue but not on red...

time to patch that update brews

how come interrupt casting with duck dosen't work on red but works on blue

time to patch that update brews
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Old 10-09-2013, 05:20 PM
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No regular bs classic mob see invis mobs had a 100% chance to see rogue hide/sneak. Let me repost something from the bug reports forum. (Wizards, undead, whatever)

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If rogues are getting seen by regular see invis mobs, something is wrong.

I played a rogue on live from early Kunark forward and could get to places many other classes could not get with invis. Rare see invis mobs of any type could see rogues, and some mob types could always see through hide. Certain zones had a lot of mobs that could see through it... plane of hate/Tov/deep Kael.

Just checked the safehouse for reference and this confirms it:

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=2855

List of Creatures That Can See Through Hide
Dragons (Vox and Nagafen)
Fire Giants
Scorn Banshees
Lichs
Loathing Lichs
Evil Eyes
Huge Elemental (Lower Guk)

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/s...ead.php?t=2852

Forsaken Revanant, Male - undead Magician - They look like male vampires and have normal magic resistance. They also cast a mean damage shield and nasty AE direct damage. Undead magic does work. They drop mage gear. They do not see rogues, but do see normal invis. They have normal aggro range.

I don't play a rogue here, but comeon, this is fundamental stuff...
Also...

NIZZAR AND HEARTBRAND STOP BEING FUCKING ASSHOLES.

It's not working as intended. YOU are both not on the staff. You both don't get to be final arbiter on whats classic without evidence.

GO POST EVIDENCE OF WHAT SPECIFIC MOBS SEE INVIS 100% of the time in classic.

It's you and your ILK that bring this project down by just saying "Working as intended with ZERO effort to fact check or be even remotely un-biased" magnanimous. Or Objective.

Just so you can TROLL.

You both SERIOUSLY need to take a few MONTHS vacation in a funny farm.

And those quoting shroud of stealth, notice the phrasing "With ease". There was always ways to sneak around as a rogue in classic. You either had to re-check your hide skill or sneak behind stuff.

Right now mobs have super detection radar that is like a see invis spell. Not normal. The two skills are completely unrelated to any of the invisibility spells in the game. To use the invisibility spells to "fake the mechanic" is impossible.

**** Lastly. Sneak reduces your agro radius, no matter where your standing. Making it possible to sneak infront of mobs if you can stay far enough away in many cases you would normally otherwise agro.

Luclin may not be classic, but I snuck a level 1 vashir through paludal caverns into shadowhaven past pairs of KOS fungus beasts. (those phlemg beasts or whatever they were called). This was non-rogue sneak at level 1. And whatever the vashir skill caps were... 75.. 100 or something lower.

They didn't change sneak hide mechanics much. There was 1 patch a few months in around the kunark launching date that improved hide vs undead immensly as well as rogue/sneak hide. (Again not SoS) but still as above posters have also affirmed.

*********** If you want a fine example of one of the best staff this project ever had it was:

UTHGARD. Yes Uthgard.

I posted some incorrect information mistakenly. And he bothered to not only tell me I was wrong. BUT HE PROVED IT. He went and posted links to the actual source and what the items dropping were for.

That guy is a saint and taught me a lesson.

If you can't even follow Uthgards example. GTFO from any game mechanic discussion. Go back to farming your trak teeth.

Lastly ( and there's more evidence on allah for this one under the sneak skill forum ). You use to be able to uncheck hide while sneak/hidden behind KOS mobs and use them safely. The mobs wouldn't spin on you. I noticed here merchents spin at you. And you cannot safely use bankers this way unless you are out of LOS. Its not a big issue. But one I imagine should be looked into. This goes for every class that can sneak using vendors this way.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:23 PM
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I trust the jew on opinion of sneak

Only in sneak
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:49 PM
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There's a 20 page thread of evidence in bugs forum which led to the change, you might want to start there.
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:56 PM
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it is nerfed on red
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:24 AM
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I think its WAD a better solution has to be out there. I'm not going to write off coding some %chances from working.
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