Classic PvP: I was there. The truth about teams, item loot, etc

[runlvlzero]

Teams do encourage people to work toghether in PvE on order to get to the more high end pvp. FFA doesnt really it encourages people to solo and twink alts to pvp. Or pvp at max level in one or two big guilds. Teams allows people sometimes a modicome of safety in order to stay motivated in the game.

Yeah the die hard red Zeckers gonna scream BLUEBIE at anyone who likes teams. But its not once your 60, its as red as any other server but it does work out so that its more blue 1-50. Which is what will give the box population.

Hopefully. Or at least thats the logic.

I'm not going to deny the experience the OP has. But I blame what they saw, not on teams but on gaming/powergaming/EQ in general. Its not a very RP focus'd game. Teams helps a bit there too, but its never going to be able to force people to get immersed.

[Vexenu]

Rokannis explained it very well. The server ruleset has an enormous impact on how players behave. We've seen this on Blue with the various raid rules that have come and gone, and we see it currently on Red. The existing Red ruleset is a recipe to bring out the worst in people, and it does exactly that. The amount of negativity permeating the server and the forum is absolutely unbelievable. No one seems to have a good view of Red, even (more like especially) the people playing on it 20+ hours a week. In fact, people feel so negatively about it and think Red is such a toxic wasteland that it would infect and destroy a new server with a totally different ruleset.

But it won't. With a modified SZ ruleset, people won't act the way they do on Red. There's just no incentive to do so, whereas on Red you have every incentive to behave like a dick to anyone who isn't in your guild. Big surprise that a server with anti-social rules creates anti-social players.

[Bazia]

very simply put, what is the motivation to "help news" that will magically make this server amazing that doesn't exist on red

simple answer please

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

very simply put, what is the motivation to "help news" that will magically make this server amazing that doesn't exist on red

simple answer please

Those are (much more likely to be) the allies you have (possesive as well) to look forward in the future and the present. Instead of potential enemies. Same as IRL.

[Bazia]

most newbs on red i can give items and PL/protect and they will most likely join my guild

people still dont do it

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

most newbs on red i can give items and PL/protect and they will most likely join my guild

people still dont do it

You'ld be better off with teams then at least you could be social rather then antisocial with 1/3rd (yeah I know evil will dominate) the pops

[heartbrand]

NOBODY ON THIS SERVER CARES ABOUT ARTIFICIAL THINGS LIKE "TEAM" OTHER THAN FAGGOT ROLEPLAYERS LIKE SAMWISE/RUNLVLZERO/AND A FEW RANDOM BLUE PEOPLE

EVERYONE ELSE IS HERE FOR GRIEF/PVP KILLS/PIXELS

[Bazia]

pretty much what heartbrand said, im kinda confused it's like making a server for wolframs <spear of the nation> guild at launch which consisted of 10 people which 9 quit once they got bindcamped at like level 5

no one gives a shit about newbs anymore, this has been proven

[heartbrand]

this whole concept that like if I'm on the dark team and my fellow ogre is being bind camped in west commons by goodies or some shit and that I'll stop what I'm doing to save him is for the year 1999. No1 gives a shit again outside of those roleplayers in 2013, and tbh 90% of server would proly go "LOL U FAGGOT" to their fellow teammate getting owned.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this whole concept that like if I'm on the dark team and my fellow ogre is being bind camped in west commons by goodies or some shit and that I'll stop what I'm doing to save him is for the year 1999. No1 gives a shit again outside of those roleplayers in 2013, and tbh 90% of server would proly go "LOL U FAGGOT" to their fellow teammate getting owned.

I might be inclined to do that, as may others, but to think people will generally drop what theyre doing to go save some random lowbie getting camped, thats just ridiculous.

Hey i just broke that FBSS spawn but some random lowbie that could be a cross team alt getting camped, guess ill gate out and go save his ass.

Im one of the "good" guys on this box, and even I would need to think about it for a while before i decide if i drop everything to go save some random. Id be more inclined to do it if said attacker is on my shit list.

Id be more willing to do it if say, im in neriak buying spells and theres something going on in nektulos, and some of my team are there duking it off, ill go join to mess around and have fun. But good luck getting out of a south karana lulz camp.

If they implement xp loss in pvp within level range again though its just gonna be lol point and laugh at the devs material. Just like people werent willing to contest Nihi on raid zones, teams will not contest griefers Griefing done by the winning team because theres nothing in it beside more PVE grind. And i mean Griefing with a capital G. Im willing to say whatever on red99 cuz they were experimenting a bit maybe, though to me they reacted way too late. But to implement that shit, again on a new server? Would blow my mind, truly.

Think HB is right on this, people looking at it with 99rosetinted glasses. Red99 will most likely be imported on teams99 so there will be some hardcore griefing involved, and it will take some determined white knighters to even start to dent the consequences of that.