Silly Poll (SZ Style Teams)

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because a team that takes care of its leveling zones will have a significant advantage in player retention over one that doesn't. You let your newbs get griefed off the box and you will have zero backup when the other teams start to steamroll you, and will have no lower level feeder guilds to recruit new raid-level players from.

And yeah evil would dominate without the fixes I suggested in my thread. Those changes would do a lot to address the natural imbalance.

Too many people are basically imagining the Red server with a Teams ruleset. That's the problem. The reality is that the environment created on a fresh server with a Teams ruleset would be totally different from Red. There are plenty of Blue players and currently inactive players who would roll on Teams and would have no problem competing against Nihilum in both PvP and PvE.

If you try to play on a Teams server the way you play on Red (basically with total self-interest, or guild-interest at best) you will be screwing yourself over. When you have two enemy teams hardcoded to be KOS to you, you need all the backup you can get.

I just told you that a bunch of people's purpose in their EQ life is to grief people off the box and youre talking to me about them caring about player retention?

Your suggestion thread is the only thing ive read that makes me think a SZ server might be something else than a massive fail. Just a regular fail. But i wouldnt expect them to act on it. I argued for literally months me and others against xp loss in pvp because it killed box population. Devs waited until it was too late to act, to act.

Evils will dominate and box will be deader than dead (Cept for zerg guild variation of nihilum, or nihilum itself) in less time than it takes to say red99

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people can PL and help newbs to recruit in their guilds right now on red, and all guilds are hurting for people

guess what they still dont rescue them from pks or give them gear

because they dont give a fuck

Because zone control has no meaning in FFA. Durp. And the only people left on that server are those who love playing in a cess pool.

[Vexenu]

This is basically all I hear from Red players against the new server:

"Our server fucking sucks, the players on it are all complete shitheads, and if you try to make a new server, all the shitheads from here will ruin it, so don't bother. BUT PLEASE COME FIX OUR BOX, WE DESERVE IT!"

And they probably wonder why the server is a ghost town.

[Rec]

don't worry, the teams server will put FFA out of its misery [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bazia]

misconception is that you think its our players that are like that

its all players that are like that

no one gets off oh doing antipk or protecting newbies anymore

it does not happen, but keep being in denial

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

misconception is that you think its our players that are like that

its all players that are like that

no one gets off oh doing antipk or protecting newbies anymore

it does not happen, but keep being in denial

No, not everyone is like that, and if you honestly think so, you will be quite surprised to see high level players defending newbies they don't know. It happened every day on SZ. It will happen on the new Teams server.

I honestly think the remaining Red players have some kind of Stockholm Syndrome going on. They've literally become traumatized by their experiences there. They've been wallowing in shit for so long they can't imagine that anything better is possible.

WALK TOWARD THE LIGHT RED PLAYERS, STEP INTO A BETTER WORLD!

[Rokannis]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

misconception is that you think its our players that are like that

its all players that are like that

no one gets off oh doing antipk or protecting newbies anymore

it does not happen, but keep being in denial

Keep basing your thoughts off your shit ass community of 100 players in a shit ass rule set that promotes griefing and I'll base mine off something that worked with 1000-1500 players.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Rokannis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep basing your thoughts off your shit ass community of 100 players in a shit ass rule set that promotes griefing and I'll base mine off something that worked with 1000-1500 players.

I base my thoughts from the fact that SZ was alot harsher to me on live than Rallos, and that i was griefed off SZ after a day or 2.

I didnt get camped by a 45 wizard on Rallos starting out, just saying.

[Bogart]

I kind of enjoy watching carebears fight it out over what hardcoded forced zerg/nutcupping rules will make the game palatable enough for the fabled casuals. I thought this whole train of thought died off ten years ago. But the carebears on p99 still holding strong no matter how many team pvp mmos have failed, believing their personal petty tweaks will be the secret formula to make a fundamentally broken system work.

[Tradesonred]

People thinking its gonna be anything else than evil team shitting on the rest of the box until 2 other teams are dead and its another purple box puts a smile on my face.