For Rogean: A Primer on Teams

[Tradesonred]

Because unlike a FFA scenario, where opposition could potentially be pooled together to contest if theres no xp loss in pvp, they will be split in half in an underpopped faction.

Also, part of the capable population will roll evil side for griefing, team protected lulz so you lose those numbers

[Aenor]

Darksinga I approve this message.

[Absynthe2k5]

A few things the op failed to mention about SZ. Evil team did not dominate pvp, they made deals with the heads of other team guilds which allowed them to clear content and jump ahead of everyone else at which time they said all bets are off...

Sure they dominated Raid content and this was because of the brains of the leadership not because of brute force. They saw losses daily in pvp just like every other team.

The real issue you folks have with any ruleset you decide to use on a secondary server is that once a dominant force is established folks will flock to their side for ezmode. A very small contingent of folks will fight to the bitter end but in general never catch up once a gear distance is established. The rest of the population will give up or join the "dark side" or sit around griefing lower players bitching about the guy griefing them.

There is no way around it, unless you have folks willing to take the hardships to be the underdogs you have no fight and every attempt at a pvp server will end up being run by those with the best gear (raidwise) PVP failed on live cause in general most folks can't hack getting screwed with, mentally or physically and there is a huge and I mean huge herd mentality with todays gaming crowd.

[Rec]

No one would quit team99, it's too much fun

[Syft]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Essentially, Sullon Zek is one step away from WoW PvP, where politics are imposed on the server by the developers via the ruleset. Sullon Zek was the least popular of the three original PvP rulesets. Most will point to the absence of a level limit and the legality of forms of griefing such as training as the reason for this lack of popularity.

FACT: Sullon Zek had a higher population than Tallon and Vallon combined often was a running joke on Sullon that often boasted 2000+ player's on the weekends. And had over 4000 active player's just not logged in at the same time. Most of the player's from Rallos migrated to Sullon, and Sullon had a much higher pop than rallos!

FACT: The Neutral were actually the most accomplished in pvp and had the highest ranked player's and guild's on leaderboards!

however training cannot be made legal on a sullon type server it will be a bigger clusterfuck than VZTZ cross teaming.

[Absynthe2k5]

Originally Posted by Syft [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FACT: Sullon Zek had a higher population than Tallon and Vallon combined often was a running joke on Sullon that often boasted 2000+ player's on the weekends. And had over 4000 active player's just not logged in at the same time. Most of the player's from Rallos migrated to Sullon, and Sullon had a much higher pop than rallos!

FACT: The Neutral were actually the most accomplished in pvp and had the highest ranked player's and guild's on leaderboards!

however training cannot be made legal on a sullon type server it will be a bigger clusterfuck than VZTZ cross teaming.

+1 for the truth!

[Absynthe2k5]

On a side note this is your server, why does everything have to be classic. Sure don't implement a bunch of retarded crap but you guys have the power to create your own rule set and your own way of pvp.

No rule set in live was perfect. I played all 4, I liked SZ the best because I hate the OOR heal mechanics on other servers. I didn't mind item loot but if you tried to come into that server anywhere after the start you were killed and looted all day long same as SZ/TZ/VZ You folks say no level limit is bad but at the same time what stops folks from making twinks for every level bracket, nothing. The only thing a level bracket/ item loot favors is established players unless you plan to enforce a 2 character max on accounts and only allow 1 account.

Make and enforce training and griefing policies. Get involved with the server if something isn't working good change it, don't keep limiting yourselves by saying it was classic and therefore it shall be. Your attempting to create a better pvp server so it will thrive more like blue so trash all the crap that is wrong and add a bunch that is good and makes folks want to participate.

Do the full server spawns more then one time a week and at random times to benefit everyone in different tz's make the gear that could possibly be abused by flooding the server no drop or something. It may not be the complete answer but anything you do to help give smaller groups chances to succeed will help to foster growth on the server not decline.

Get some more volunteers so the server has a moderator more then a few hours a day. When someone is there to say hey stop being a dickhead to the guy 8 lvls below you that just started, it enforces good behavior. All the ooc trolls stfu when they see sirk/zade show up. Why should it be any different any other time? Offer awards for good conduct, for good guild practices for people who help newbies grow. this will also help the server growth and the community to form in a positive light not the trashcan it is now.

[Absynthe2k5]

Also for the guy calling Sullon bluebie, you have the same exact scenario happening now on ffa...derp. Over 50% of the active server is "evil" and the rest of you just sit around crying about it.

Sure folks may have been camped off the server then if the stories are true, that means you folks should be trying to press for positive change in the form of augmented rules that auto punish for being retards. If you wipe and get camped log and pick up the pieces later. Another reason to press for positive change.

[mtb tripper]

nuclear aftermath

[Rec]

Sullon retained population till the books were put in. Case reopened