Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Lurgort/Sseri]

I played on VZTZ and just began on Red1999, I recently leveled my Shaman to 49 and I've made some friends who I group with on a regular basis. On the other side of the coin, I've ran amok of a few people who ganked me while canned down 40+% hp after soloing some stuff, such is the life of a Shaman.

VZTZ was great, because there were several guilds competing with each other - whether it be PvP, or for killing Trakanon, or Inny, or CT. There were 10 v 10 - 20 v 20 guild on guild fights, probably due to the large experience bonus in combination with not being able to hide under an anon tag. Everyone could see who was in a zone, and as they leveled up, made friends who then made guilds together. Lots of fun PVP all the way up to level 60 on VZTZ. I had my epic, pox, bane, and I think I also had torpor, too. I was relied on by my guildmates to provide them potions, or be an integral part in group PVP.

P99 red is just one guild who is monopolizing every single raid mob, resulting in a huge gear gap between people who want to even fight them, and they just end up absorbing the people who give up and want to join Nihilum. Everyone else has seemed to have either taken a big hiatus to see what the health of the server is going to be like, or are doing other things like WoW Emu - I would truly like to see this place become a thriving community like VZTZ was, I had fun during classic, and even more when they released Kunark.

A lot of great ideas in this thread, in particular heartbrand's struck me as a great way to inject more population into our RED box. There's 1000+ on Blue, a lot of them might check out red if the "relaunch" happens, and if the server passes 250 population at peak of REGULAR players, I think the server will begin to renew its playerbase over time until perhaps 400-500 - think of all of the action when Velious hits with those numbers. Kael, Skyshrine, or Thurgadin aligned guilds all duking it out in the icy wastelands of Velious.

It would be pretty fantastic if this all happened, get to work boys.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Lurgort/Sseri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played on VZTZ and just began on Red1999, I recently leveled my Shaman to 49 and I've made some friends who I group with on a regular basis. On the other side of the coin, I've ran amok of a few people who ganked me while canned down 40+% hp after soloing some stuff, such is the life of a Shaman.

VZTZ was great, because there were several guilds competing with each other - whether it be PvP, or for killing Trakanon, or Inny, or CT. There were 10 v 10 - 20 v 20 guild on guild fights, probably due to the large experience bonus in combination with not being able to hide under an anon tag. Everyone could see who was in a zone, and as they leveled up, made friends who then made guilds together. Lots of fun PVP all the way up to level 60 on VZTZ. I had my epic, pox, bane, and I think I also had torpor, too. I was relied on by my guildmates to provide them potions, or be an integral part in group PVP.

P99 red is just one guild who is monopolizing every single raid mob, resulting in a huge gear gap between people who want to even fight them, and they just end up absorbing the people who give up and want to join Nihilum. Everyone else has seemed to have either taken a big hiatus to see what the health of the server is going to be like, or are doing other things like WoW Emu - I would truly like to see this place become a thriving community like VZTZ was, I had fun during classic, and even more when they released Kunark.

A lot of great ideas in this thread, in particular heartbrand's struck me as a great way to inject more population into our RED box. There's 1000+ on Blue, a lot of them might check out red if the "relaunch" happens, and if the server passes 250 population at peak of REGULAR players, I think the server will begin to renew its playerbase over time until perhaps 400-500 - think of all of the action when Velious hits with those numbers. Kael, Skyshrine, or Thurgadin aligned guilds all duking it out in the icy wastelands of Velious.

It would be pretty fantastic if this all happened, get to work boys.

Need vztz xp IMO. Casuals can't play red the way it is currently

[Bogart]

Every competitive game I've played people always zerg for an advantage. I think some type of item loot, and removing rules like no training/no ninja looting would allow smaller forces to have more impact, and make the server less stagnant.

[mtb tripper]

mwaha jew

[runlvlzero]

Yet because of the nature of the game people will always gravitate towards one side "in the war".

I think direct GM involvement on both sides in player conflict, make it the GM metagame. Is the only solution to fixing that statgnation. And MUD like features. Changing the nature of the game. But thats not classic EQ 99.

[Thrilla]

I still occasionally login but been pretty inactive last 3 months or so.. server is boring as hell and has been for awhile, there are a few factors that contribute.

Red99 is basically a blue server with PvP enabled, it isn't pvp centric at all. Few things that could help it if it were tweaked:

- I really liked a LoZ feature that allowed you to /who all a zone and would tell you how many players were in it. I can say even as a Wizard porting around trying to find PvP is boring as hell.
- If you do happen to find PvP most people like to fight 5 ft from the zone line so if they're in trouble, they bail and plug. Any anti-plug code would be amazing, something simple like if the client detects a disconnect between zones it puts the PC on the zone they were zoning out to helpless for 2-3 mins (enough for a kill) to deter people from the very thing they're trying to so desperately avoid. Even broadcasting a plug, having the server OOC the person that "lost connection" and the last PC that casted on it, some shame in plugging.
- Clickies, trak tooths, even gate pots either make them insanely expensive and rare or take them out completely. You really don't need to die now if you don't want to with the t-staff nerfed.
- Get rid of the R99 forums completely, the smallish community makes certain that even the most insignificant death will be heard and storied on the forums, this type of behavior obviously makes people play more conservative and makes PvP less fun imo.
- I'd like to think Velious would help, giving players a solid Velious expac that many haven't seen could bring back people but I don't think it will solve the overall issues that plague this server.
- Make 2boxing legal on Red99, it could give the smaller underdog guilds a better opportunity to do raid content and it would bring in more players overall.

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by Thrilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still occasionally login but been pretty inactive last 3 months or so.. server is boring as hell and has been for awhile, there are a few factors that contribute.

Red99 is basically a blue server with PvP enabled, it isn't pvp centric at all. Few things that could help it if it were tweaked:

- I really liked a LoZ feature that allowed you to /who all a zone and would tell you how many players were in it. I can say even as a Wizard porting around trying to find PvP is boring as hell.
- If you do happen to find PvP most people like to fight 5 ft from the zone line so if they're in trouble, they bail and plug. Any anti-plug code would be amazing, something simple like if the client detects a disconnect between zones it puts the PC on the zone they were zoning out to helpless for 2-3 mins (enough for a kill) to deter people from the very thing they're trying to so desperately avoid.
- Get rid of the R99 forums completely, the smallish community makes certain that even the most insignificant death will be heard and storied on the forums, this type of behavior obviously makes people play more conservative and makes PvP less fun imo.
- I'd like to think Velious would help, giving players a solid Velious expac that many haven't seen could bring back people but I don't think it will solve the overall issues that plague this server.
- Make 2boxing legal on Red99, it could give the smaller underdog guilds a better opportunity to do raid content and it would bring in more players overall.

better be careful and get that raid attendance up bro, i have certain assurances if you dont log in for a bit i get to app.

[Thrilla]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

better be careful and get that raid attendance up bro, i have certain assurances if you dont log in for a bit i get to app.

Haven't needed anything on my main since March, have @ it you wouldn't be the first and certainly not the last person who used to be opposition to join, cold hard facts when you try to run essentially a PvE first guild.

Truth of the matter is that if content didn't run just through Nihilum the overall server health and competition would be a lot better. Until a dedicated playerbase with a dedicated leader ala Nizzar show up and play I don't think we'll ever have a pvp centric box. I give kudos to all the hardcore players that go the hard underdog route, but reality is that 75% of them that don't burn out and quit end up apping to Nihilum anyway. I can name at least 3-4 on our app board right now.

[Xantille]

Though I haven't played in months, I agree with Heartbrand and Thrilla's postz.

[Agatha]

Originally Posted by Xantille [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Though I haven't played in months, I agree with Heartbrand and Thrilla's postz.

confirmed by gongshow, has been in nihi over 6 months and uses voice mod. busted.