Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Faerie]

I feel that training should be allowed on blue, but not on red. On blue all you can really do is train each other, and on red we have other means of pvping. Namely pvp.

[Tasslehofp99]

There something wrong with asking a series of questions and asking people's honest opinions?

I mean the server health has been great lately and I figured now would be a good time to throw some inquiries out regarding a situation in the raiding scene. Sorry if i came off as combative, ignorant, or misinformed.


Hope you had a good time in vegas rogean, sry if this poll was out of line or done so in such a way that angered you. Mainly was just looking to kick off a discussion to kill time.

[Rogean]

Angering me would be another one of your misconceptions. It takes a lot to get me angry. You're just seeing me facepalming due to having to explain something multiple times. People may even get banned when I get angry, and that happens like... once a year? I dunno.

Anywho, just saying like it is. And if you read my disclaimer again I did say I wasn't stating the rule couldn't be changed. I just wanted to correct aforementioned misconception.

[Rhuma7]

It would be pretty funny if the rule was revoked and if a guild trained another guild in VP all their keys would be deleted [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Think twice before being a douchebag lol

If I was owner of p99, I wonder if the population would love or hate me?

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

No training allowed. Makes it better place for everyone.

[Vianna]

I honestly think it should be open to discussion again. It just doesn't make sense that training would be allowed in any zones with the current state of the server. Whether it is FE,IB,TMO or whomever it is.. It's just interfering with a raid instead of racing for targets. I mean if another guild beats you to the target you can just train them to get it ? Variance was put in for a reason to make it a competition...a race. FTE shouts are now in game to let people know who won the race. Training at this point seems to be a mechanic that allows the slower guild in each race in VP to still win the target with interference... That doesn't really fit in the spirit of competition. I mean I understand if it stays in... It just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the mechanics introduced to the game.

Just my 2 cents.

[Sirken]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Im personally working on this now, sirken.
Unfortunately not all parties involved are willing to negotiate at this point as far as I've been told.

[Laugher]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

I like that idea, but I'm also not in a guild atm haha. Everywhere else in the game things are regulated and (if necessary) enforced by GMs, on blue there really aren't many arenas where a compromise or even friendship among the raiders of high end content is promoted so much as a first-come-first-kill entitlement, perhaps VP is a good setting in which these things can happen before Velious?

(speculation): if ST or some similarly high end Velious zone is to be treated with the same policy wouldn't it be good to have perhaps worked out a resolution over things? With ST coming out it would seem that the awakening of the Sleeper (for example) would be something a lot of people (and guilds potentially) would want to be part of and that wouldn't be as possible without a bit of compromise.. compromise which would be more easily hammered out in Kunark than between trains in Velious.

*edit* my spelling errors, didn't see your post till I made mine Tassle glad to see someone's on this

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly think it should be open to discussion again. It just doesn't make sense that training would be allowed in any zones with the current state of the server. Whether it is FE,IB,TMO or whomever it is.. It's just interfering with a raid instead of racing for targets. I mean if another guild beats you to the target you can just train them to get it ? Variance was put in for a reason to make it a competition...a race. FTE shouts are now in game to let people know who won the race. Training at this point seems to be a mechanic that allows the slower guild in each race in VP to still win the target with interference... That doesn't really fit in the spirit of competition. I mean I understand if it stays in... It just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the mechanics introduced to the game.

Just my 2 cents.

Couldnt have said it better myself, I agree with you on the fact that it may be time to revisit this discussion as a server. Maybe we can work out a system which makes more sense and supports the mantra of classic everquest we all love.

I mean its silly to me people bring up stuff like item links and /makeleader yet discussions regarding training in VP never happen and if they do trolls are on it like flies to a bag of shit.