Wow player looking for more of a challenge

[Asap]

Originally Posted by Simba4793 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What Deity should I pick for a magician or is that not important? Also what city

dark elf, agnostic

[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by Simba4793 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"What race you lookin at playing?" Human

Freeport is always a good choice since all the high level player hang out in EC right next door. There are some benefits to qeynos as well though since collecting gnoll teeth in Blackburrow can get you a ton of xp from turn ins.

[Simba4793]

Project 1999 The Ruins of Kunark server right?

[Uggme]

Yes - make sure to post your character name so we know who ya are in game [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Splorf22]

I don't think EQ is really "hard" compared to something like chess or even Counterstrike. The strategy is fairly basic and the game moves fairly slowly so you don't need lightning reflexes.

The primary challenge of EQ is the extremely slow leveling/farming: in a full group you will have to kill probably 1000 monsters per Kunark level (that looks kinda bad now having written it). Most of the good gear is a rare drop off of a rare spawn, which is OK because you are leveling so slowly anyway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The secondary challenge of EQ is that it is incredibly unforgiving. You let 1 frog in sebilis run? Your group will wipe to 20 friends. Walking around in oasis whacking crocs? Enjoy getting the shit beat out of you by Cazel.

Also don't play magician. There are 5 skill classes in EQ: Bard, Enchanter, Shaman, Monk, and Necromancer. All the other classes have pretty straightforward gameplay.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Simba4793 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"What race you lookin at playing?" Human

Someone might prove me wrong with some theorycrafting numbers but for a magician you are really doing yourself a disservice playing a human.

Unlike WoW, in EQ you get a lot of race options for every class but that doesn't really mean the races are good for those classes if your goal is to min/max at all.

http://wiki.project1999.org/Magician

There is some good baseline information... one of the big things is that starting stats can really hurt you long run unless you join a super guild and get access to gear that lets you max out important stats regardless of what you started with.

Given you should always play what you want to play but you should also take into consideration what you are giving up.

Humans are the 'balanced' race in the game, I think they can basically play every class but their stats are all kind of base line.

Erudites are the 'int' caster race, an erudite mage starts with 117 int vs 85 int on a human. In EQ you do not get to invest points in int or str or anything as you level, you get what you start with and only increase it via gear. Now the down side to Erudites are that the starting zone arguably sucks ass and they are basically blind at night until you get items/spells that let you see at night better. Dark elves, on the other hand, have 109 starting int making them 2nd best and can see at night AND have the ability to hide (free invis)... down side is they are an evil race so non evil npc's will try to kill you.

etc etc etc

That said, Magicians can level to 60 naked for all intensive purposes because your pet does everything. As long as you can summon a pet and/or heal your pet you are golden =P I am just biased to picking a good race because on live I played a half elf warrior and always regretted the decision because ogres had such a massive baseline stat advantage. IE Half elf start with 80 str/sta while ogre start with 140 str/132 sta which is basically your hp and how hard you hit.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i had tribute to insanity and server first heroic LK in wotlk as an on-again/off-again semi-casual, come at me bro

No you didn't. No casual guild had sever-first anything, even if they somehow cleared the content. Sorry to call you out directly, but I raided seriously through BC/WotLK in a server-first guild, and casuals are nowhere near the same level. That one facet is exactly like EQ.

Also, as for WoW being "easymode", Faction Champs from 10-man normal ToC is harder than any content in Classic EQ, and Heroic Putricide 25 is harder than any content ever released for Everquest. Those two fights are from arguably the "easiest" WoW expansion to date. Firefighter makes them both look like cakewalks, assuming proper gear level, but it's from the best raid content ever produced in any game (IMO), so I thought that would be an unfair comparison. Should I bring up the nightmare that was M'uru?

Basically, the "difficulty pyramid" is inverted for WoW. Leveling/group content is a joke and top-end raiding is hard in WoW. In EQ, leveling/grouping is the hard part, and top-end raiding is a matter of showing up at the right place at the right time and getting FTE.

Both games are awesome in very different ways.

Originally Posted by Asap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dark elf, agnostic

One of my favorite thing about EverQuest is that you can be agnostic in a world in which you literally get to meet/kill the gods themselves. Always cracked me up.

Edit: OP, if you're interested in some of the really cool, really hard stuff in EQ, check out the Solo Challenge Thread! The guys in there are really good players, and there are some terrific encounter write-ups.

[Asap]

Agnostic Dark elves start off non kill-on-sight to most good races, btw

[Khaleesi]

Originally Posted by Simba4793 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive been playing wow for quite a few years. Ive lost alot of respect for it due to its casulation and dieing community. A friend of mine told me about Everquest and Ive decided to give it a try.

Any tips for someone just starting out?

My tip is listen to the others here, however also play Guild Wars 2 or RIFT. It will help you play a game that's better (subjective) than Warcraft, but similar enough that you can appreciate it.

Meanwhile you learn the differences and difficulties of EverQuest without burning yourself out.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you didn't. No casual guild had sever-first anything, even if they somehow cleared the content. Sorry to call you out directly, but I raided seriously through BC/WotLK in a server-first guild, and casuals are nowhere near the same level. That one facet is exactly like EQ.

i did, too

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...achievement#81

your turn, bro