Deciding my offhand.

[astuce999]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand doing 5 songs + BoH click. I do 4 songs +BoH click, and if I get a fizzle or don't time things perfectly, one song always drops.

5 songs + BoH click just seems like you are guaranteeing a bunch of dropped songs.

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[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by astuce999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"depending on the server tick, a normal song will last anywhere between 12-18 seconds."

I've read your post before, didn't realize until now that you wrote it, but I've never understood this statement. Do server ticks vary; do not all songs last 18 seconds? I've never understood what you are explaining in that sentence.

For me, being a bard and twisting has been more about feeling things rather than knowing when a song will disappear. I always 'feel' when a charm will break or when a song will drop. For this reason, I feel like I can feel out 4 songs + BoH clickie being twisted, but 5 songs + BoH clickie just doesn't feel right to me. I like to be able to keep all songs up without frequent drops of a song or two.

[Splorf22]

So I have only played a bard to 38 but the Deajay/Astuce math seems hugely optimistic in my experience.

First, I don't think a charmed pet is 50 dps or even close. An enc pet is about 100 and gets a bonus of maybe 1.6*1.8 for haste/dw. 100/(1.6*1.8) = 35 which is a bit more realistic. Plus if the bard is pulling 2 at a time, the charmed pet is only fighting half the time. Basically I see bard charm as 'mez with benefits' more than huge dps.

Second, I never manged to do more than 4 songs, especially when charming because unless you time it perfectly the pet will interrupt you periodically, or the tank won't have aggro, or whatnot. If you are singing 5 I have to imagine that stuff like haste and cantata is dropping all the time. but hey, maybe I was doing something wrong.

Third, I found that in a good group the dots weren't that effective because shit would die so fast (~30s). I would usually be pulling so I would twist say Haste/Slow/Mana/DoT and maybe I would get 2-3 dot ticks off.

Fourth, I would miss a lot of melee rounds due to targeting or chain pulling or whatnot.

So I think a more reasonable estimate for the dps bard (reasonable if there are both an enchanter/shaman to handle haste/slow) is 15 dps melee, 15 dps charm, 100/tick from two songs = 15 dps, so 45-50.

This is making me want to dust off Dramor though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I've been trying a mage and the lack of root is driving me crazy. If you are on sometime I'd be happy to bust out Sakuragi and see your bard in action Astuce, maybe i'll eat my words!

[zanderklocke]

Random question: Do any other classes change as much as a bard once getting their epic? I mean the bard epic is completely game changing and changes what songs you twist in groups (mcvaxius) and raids (psalm resists as opposed to drum resists).

It's going to be weird sort of relearning my class a bit once I get the bard epic.

[astuce999]

The best example I can think of about a server tick is that no matter when you are casting a dot, and stacking dots on a mob, the damage the mob will take will be from all dots all at once. The server ticks every 6 seconds, and when its time is up, anything that is “on” at the time will be applied. Whether it is HP regen, mana regen, or dots, it all happens when the server ticks.

I’d like to be able to draw a nice little graphic that shows all the seconds within the server tick, all the time you have to apply new songs or refresh old effects that have dropped off before it makes any difference at all, but I don’t have those capabilities from work.

Maybe someone else can explain

Astuce

[zanderklocke]

So does this mean only certain songs can be twisted as a 5th song, or no?