Why do devs keep making these retarded cash shop MMORPGs that all fail?

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All because its Star Trek. I find that sad and amusing.

Makes me sad to think that there are people with this much money to throw away on literally nothing, nothing, nothing...

Some people shouldn't be allowed to decide what to do with their own money

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Makes me sad to think that there are people with this much money to throw away on literally nothing, nothing, nothing...

Some people shouldn't be allowed to decide what to do with their own money

People would call you and i and many other retarded for spending 10-15 dollars a month to play a game were we got nothing other then pixels. Personally i spend 400 dollars a month on weed and have nothing to show for it except my sanity. It's all in the eye of the person with the money.

[Mandalore93]

I actually really enjoyed LOTRO through the first expansion. I feel like they really nailed the lore and feel of that universe extremely well in a very hard to hit category such as MMOs. The cash shop has become a bit bloated but most of that is cosmetic or just the free to play options to try and catch up to what the subscribers get.

[SamwiseRed]

matrix online was kinda cool. pve was repetitive so all the bluebies eventually got bored and left leaving a gankfest behind. lots of pvp to be had which was good. i liked the idea of 3 faction pvp (like sullon zek) and continuing the storyline from the movies was pretty interesting although we never got to see neo. before i quit Morpheus got assassinated.

[myriverse]

Is there really a difference between "pay4power" and paying extra for an EQ expansion that will no doubt include NO DROP items? I want Sleeper's Tomb loot, but I don't wanna pay for Velious! :\

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is there really a difference between "pay4power" and paying extra for an EQ expansion that will no doubt include NO DROP items? I want Sleeper's Tomb loot, but I don't wanna pay for Velious! :\

If you had to buy velious, then buy st loot.

[skorge]

who cares, either way shit gets sold for cash even here on p99 RMT goes on (see the first main thread on the homepage), the company might as well try to make some money off of it instead of others...that way they are more likely to put more in to make the game better (fix bugs faster, etc)...everyone is entitled to their own opinion; and no i havent made cash on a game since dark age of camelot in 2000 or 2001; in the end it still comes down to is it a good game or not?

[gotrocks]

See, i think theres nothing wrong at all with cosmetic item shops, and i actually think they improve the experience for everyone (i for one dont mind seeing someone wearing a cool hat or having a neat mount or whatever - it's kind of cool). Not only does it make the game completely free to play and NOT pay to win (so everyone can enjoy it!), but in most cases when this is done well it provides the developer with plenty of money, often times more than they'd make if they went pure subscription based.

You can look at games like TF2 or DotA 2 for fantastic examples of this. In fact, in both of those games, some people are actually making a living off designing new cosmetic items for the game! Very cool.

I completely agree with pay 2 win being complete shit, and i avoid any game that uses that like the plague. Especially if the 'best' items in the game can be purchased - it just makes everything a waste of time. I'm not against some very, very light xp boost type items, so long as they aren't completely ridiculous (i've seen 1.5x xp gain - 2x xp gain used in games and it really doesn't tip the scales that much. Obviously the people who are willing to pay for that stuff end up leveling faster, but not that big of a deal in the end), but i'd prefer to just keep it cosmetic based. Another great example of this is planetside 2.

Developers need to realize, and fast, that making their game pay to win is only going to hurt them in the end. It may seem like a fantastic idea from a business standpoint at first - people end up buying tons of items and stuff right away and the developer makes tons of cash - but in the end its only going to make people leave, whether its because they get bored or because they are tired of playing with pay2winners. I think a lot of studios are realizing that keeping purchases to cosmetics only is really the only way to go, and im really excited about what that means for not just MMO's but games in general. These 'pay4looks' games are doing extremely well (when they are done right, it can't be half assed), and I like where thats taking us.

Hopefully the makers of neverwinter nights (is it bioware? im assuming it is, black isle went away long ago) are only doing this pay2win bullshit because its beta. I can see them justifying a beta release like that to pick up some extra cash for development, and then completely changing the model for release. I still agree that its a blatant and shitty cash grab, im just hoping that it changes, as i had high hopes for neverwinter nights (i love the forgotten realms setting - its such a cool place, especially when you include all the different planes and such), but if its kept the way it is after release it is likely and rightfully going to bomb.

Good topic though, OP, definitely warrants discussion. I personally feel that my opinion is correct ([You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) but i know everyone has different views on how this should work, and those views are no less correct than mine.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, i think theres nothing wrong at all with cosmetic item shops, and i actually think they improve the experience for everyone (i for one dont mind seeing someone wearing a cool hat or having a neat mount or whatever - it's kind of cool). Not only does it make the game completely free to play and NOT pay to win (so everyone can enjoy it!), but in most cases when this is done well it provides the developer with plenty of money, often times more than they'd make if they went pure subscription based.

You can look at games like TF2 or DotA 2 for fantastic examples of this. In fact, in both of those games, some people are actually making a living off designing new cosmetic items for the game! Very cool.

I completely agree with pay 2 win being complete shit, and i avoid any game that uses that like the plague. Especially if the 'best' items in the game can be purchased - it just makes everything a waste of time. I'm not against some very, very light xp boost type items, so long as they aren't completely ridiculous (i've seen 1.5x xp gain - 2x xp gain used in games and it really doesn't tip the scales that much. Obviously the people who are willing to pay for that stuff end up leveling faster, but not that big of a deal in the end), but i'd prefer to just keep it cosmetic based. Another great example of this is planetside 2.

Developers need to realize, and fast, that making their game pay to win is only going to hurt them in the end. It may seem like a fantastic idea from a business standpoint at first - people end up buying tons of items and stuff right away and the developer makes tons of cash - but in the end its only going to make people leave, whether its because they get bored or because they are tired of playing with pay2winners. I think a lot of studios are realizing that keeping purchases to cosmetics only is really the only way to go, and im really excited about what that means for not just MMO's but games in general. These 'pay4looks' games are doing extremely well (when they are done right, it can't be half assed), and I like where thats taking us.

Hopefully the makers of neverwinter nights (is it bioware? im assuming it is, black isle went away long ago) are only doing this pay2win bullshit because its beta. I can see them justifying a beta release like that to pick up some extra cash for development, and then completely changing the model for release. I still agree that its a blatant and shitty cash grab, im just hoping that it changes, as i had high hopes for neverwinter nights (i love the forgotten realms setting - its such a cool place, especially when you include all the different planes and such), but if its kept the way it is after release it is likely and rightfully going to bomb.

Good topic though, OP, definitely warrants discussion. I personally feel that my opinion is correct ([You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]) but i know everyone has different views on how this should work, and those views are no less correct than mine.

It's cryptic / perfect world. We've got a game company with a history of shit game after shit game combined with azn cash shop pros. This can only go badly.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hopefully the makers of neverwinter nights (is it bioware? im assuming it is, black isle went away long ago) are only doing this pay2win bullshit because its beta.

neverwinter != neverwinter nights