Economy barrier for new players

[Tecmos Deception]

You're living the p99 dream, Pilgrim, just like most of the server did when they made their first character on here.

You'll see more people as you get some more levels. Most of the grouping 1-15 crowd is over near crushbone, and then oasis, unrest, mistmoore, lake of ill omen seem to be the popular spots after that as far as I can tell. The EC area seems more prone to have people soloing with buffs from the tunnel and/or being super twinked and just trying to get through the low levels asap.

[veejur]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other people come to the forums and make threads whining about the economy because they don't know how to make a few hundred pp by level 20.

I really don't mean to point any fingers with this specific post, but wtf is up with all the whining about twinks and the economy and how p99 isn't every person's individual MMO paradise lately?

You can call what I'm doing whining, OK. I look at it more as asking for advice, but I get how people are probably sick of this. It's not your problem anymore, why care? Again, I'm just asking these questions because I think this server is awesome, the concept is fantastic, but I'm struggling a bit. Thank you for your advice everyone, casting aside the posts that didn't really offer anything, I see quite a few that did. I will take this to heart and try out some of these spots, thank you.

[falkun]

You have made a conscious choice to play a monk and worry about the AC hit from the weight cap. You can ignore that cap for a bit and hoard copper. You can farm lightstones which are lighter and can be turned in for 10pp, you can loot bronze scythes from spectre killers and vendor them. By strictly adhering to your philosophies of "I will not ask for handouts" and "I will not carry over the weight limit", you are gimping yourself. Now, that's not a problem and you are free to follow those philosophies (I also like the "I will not ask for stuff"), but to whine about the consequences of those self-imposed rules is asinine. Choices have consequences. Don't like the consequences of your choices? Then make different ones.

[veejur]

I just want to add that jumping to the conclusion that because I'm asking about help with ways to gear chars new to the server means that I don't "enjoy the ride" is a little slanted. Every person I saw on live that loved the game and the experience gets just as frustrated when they hit barriers to progression. If gear didn't have any impact on the enjoyment of the game for people, the economy wouldn't exist, and you wouldn't see respected people on the server spending the amount of time they do trading.

[falkun]

But you are comparing yourself to these twinks. You may not realize it, but by complaining about what other people have (super twink, low level epics, etc.) you are basing your happiness/enjoyment/ability/skill on those around you.

You aren't playing the same game as these twinks, they are established players, you are new. You don't have to "keep up with the Jones's" to enjoy EQ. Play your game to have fun, the gear will come all too quickly, and then you'll be in the boat of twinking out your own character. EQ Classic was meant to be beatable in minimal gear. Now some classes are more gear dependent than others, but groups can compensate for this. The good news is medium tier gear is INSANELY devalued on this server.

[Pilgrimzero]

Originally Posted by Lyra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are going to do well here. This is my exact attitude.

I only wish i had more time. If I can get in an hour at night i feel lucky.

Not like the old days when I could log on after work and play till all hours of the night

Stupid adult responsiblities!


Hesperax the DE SK will get there though, slowly but surely. ECommons... one day! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by veejur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call what I'm doing whining, OK. I look at it more as asking for advice, but I get how people are probably sick of this. It's not your problem anymore, why care? Again, I'm just asking these questions because I think this server is awesome, the concept is fantastic, but I'm struggling a bit. Thank you for your advice everyone, casting aside the posts that didn't really offer anything, I see quite a few that did. I will take this to heart and try out some of these spots, thank you.

I specifically said I wasn't pointing any fingers with that post because, ya know, I wasn't pointing any fingers with that post. I don't think you are whining, or else I would have just said as much. Other people in this thread and in other recent threads on the forums though definitely have been whining, and that's why I was talking about it.

[veejur]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to whine about the consequences of those self-imposed rules is asinine. Choices have consequences. Don't like the consequences of your choices? Then make different ones.

You guys love to throw around the word whine. Do you know what whining really means?

1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch.

Show me where I complained or protested in a *childish fashion*. I have raised what I feel are pretty legitimate concerns for a player in my position on the server. I didn't point the finger, ask for handouts, or say things "aren't fair" (I'd call all of these childish) - I asked for people's opinions. I'm 36 and successful so I'd like to think I understand the concept of making choices based on consequences, but thank you for your life lessons.

[Seredoc]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is one of the main reasons we have had massive inflation, too many people jumping over each other to buy low/sell high... and then when the goalposts move, buy high/sell higher.

People talk about laziness on the server, I've had L10-12s ask me in EC for a 96% rez...and the same applies for buying/selling. Buyers need to be more savvy rather than just dropping 500pp too much on an item. There's no "I'll camp it myself" ethic on this server (Jboots included)... everyone wants to be lazy, and this is the result.

Granted this is hard for an untwinked warrior to accomplish, one might argue that starting off as an ungeared tank is a bad idea on this server (sadly) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I made a druid first, couldn't stand playing it with snare/root not stacking, so I rolled a warrior due to guild needing more tanks. I enjoy playing a warrior, it just gets annoying playing with twinks because they(generally) think they're better than you based solely on gear and that's a toxic mentality I don't want/need in my recreational time.

I personally want to go camp for gear and upgrades, that's also why I am doing smithing, because as it stands now my mid range cultural is an upgrade and then my high end cultural will be even more so.

I only bring up my scenario because why have a tank if you have an epic rogue? Why aren't you tanking Mr. Epic rogue, since you have spent 300k on a lvl 15 toon you have more AC and HP than myself?

Twinking ruins low end content and personally it is one reason I am glad MOST epics require high end raiding/planar chars.

Originally Posted by veejur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call what I'm doing whining, OK. I look at it more as asking for advice, but I get how people are probably sick of this. It's not your problem anymore, why care? Again, I'm just asking these questions because I think this server is awesome, the concept is fantastic, but I'm struggling a bit. Thank you for your advice everyone, casting aside the posts that didn't really offer anything, I see quite a few that did. I will take this to heart and try out some of these spots, thank you.

The best one I saw to make money and level for the appropriate solo capable classes http://wiki.project1999.org/Ultimate...ng_Money_Guide

As far as I can tell that guide works well except for the 18-24 and the 24-28, I think those ones are currently not "money spots" so to speak due to their higher difficulty or the lack of spider silk being as valuable.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Seredoc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twinking ruins low end content and personally it is one reason I am glad MOST epics require high end raiding/planar chars

I've got a twinked SK, and while I don't "need" to group with her, I generally do group...add some decent DPS at low levels and enjoy pulling. All that together helps the people I'm with to level more quickly.

I do agree though, for new players who want that "fresh" feeling, P99 is certainly not exactly that.

Hand down what you can to new players, they'll love you forever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]