Cultural armor?

[astarothel]

Deity Restriction On Items Enabled
=April 10, 2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000410.html
This means it is impossible for Imbued cultural to have existed before this date.

Ruins of Kunark
=April 24, 2000

Blacksmithing is Still Capped
=May 15, 2000
Banded caps smithing out at 168.
No mention of cultural exists anywhere at this time.
http://web.archive.org/web/200011090...om/blacksmith/

Blacksmithing Recipe Added
=June 29, 2000
"Folded Sheet Metal"
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html
Folded Sheet Metal is not available from any vendors before or after this change.
It is important to note that Folded Sheet Metal is actually used for very little in crafting.

Recipes that eventually wound up using Folded Sheet Metal:
Large, Medium and Average size Targ Shields (standard blacksmithing)
Two Gnomish Tinkering recipes
An extremely small number of non-imbued cultural weapons and shields
This would be the earliest possible date for old cultural's existence found so far provided the recipe wasn't added later.

Pottery Recipes Added
=June 29, 2000
"Unfired Urn", "Onyx Encrusted Urn", and "Small Bowl"
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html

Poison Vials Vendor Available
=June 29, 2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html

Fine Steel Plate Noted
<= Sept 15, 2000
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...l=1#post230648

Tradeskill Specialization Added
=September 19, 2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000919.html
*My tentative date for when old cultural was added*

Fine Plate Dyes Noted
<= Oct 3, 2000
Comments are it is recent
Allakhazam

Imbue Gem Spells Noted
<= Oct 4, 2000
Allakhazam
Comments are it is recent

Tempers Noted
<= Oct 4, 2000
Allakhazam
Comments are it is recent

Cultural Forges Noted
<= Oct 18, 2000
http://web.archive.org/web/200010181...ing/forges.asp

Knarmon's Guide Excerpt
dated Nov 13, 2000
Mentions that Fine Steel and Cabilis Scale [Iksar Cultural] are much more recent additions to smithing.

Scars of Vellious
=December 5, 2000

[astarothel]

Imbued Ivory is used for Imbued Northman recipes:

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch...hp/t-1063.html

[mmiles8]

All of the links that I put up pre-date your "tentative dates". Castersrealm (you even used the link yourself) pre-dates your tentative dates. By the time your tentative date rolls around, cultural is in the section called "Old Smithing".

<= Oct 18, 2000

If Iksar cultural being recent is in that time period all you can find, well, yeah. There were no Iksars in classic.

This means it is impossible for Imbued cultural to have existed before this date.

No. No it doesn't. This means it was impossible to have a deity restriction.

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[astarothel]

Originally Posted by mmiles8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of the links that I put up pre-date your "tentative dates". Castersrealm (you even used the link yourself) pre-dates your tentative dates. By the time your tentative date rolls around, cultural is in the section called "Old Smithing".

Last time I checked the calendar date September 19th (the probable date I gave for cultural) came before October 18th, the caster's realm sources' date. Maybe you're operating on a different calendar than the rest of the world though where October 18th came first, who knows.

The only date of yours that's really valid is the Caster's Realm one.
Your other links are largely inconclusive or spurious.

Originally Posted by mmiles8 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Iksar cultural being recent is in that time period all you can find, well, yeah. There were no Iksars in classic.

Yeah. There wasn't cultural armour either.

The Imbue Gem spells, including Imbue Ivory which is needed for your Imbued Northman recipes were noted on TEST around September 4th (the eqclerics forum link right above your post), coincidentally two weeks before my probable release date for cultural.

[mmiles8]

No, I'm operating on the same calendar that everyone else uses. Here, let me help you operate it.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.castersrealm.com

Click on the starred july 6 2000 entry.

[astarothel]

The July 6, 2000 entry?

Cleric spells from there 20001218

Trade menu goes to 20001018
Forge section goes to 20001018 too.
Maybe the tradeskill overview section? 20010119.

[Extunarian]

Yeah, I'm necroing this because the time for cultural is drawing near. Should begin to be implemented around the same time as Epics. As far as I can tell, astarothel has it right.

I also found this announcement that appears to be more in line with Asta's research:
Classic Cultural



And just to make sure the most relevant post in the last couple pages is highlighted:

Deity Restriction On Items Enabled
=April 10, 2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000410.html
This means it is impossible for Imbued cultural to have existed before this date.

Ruins of Kunark
=April 24, 2000

Blacksmithing is Still Capped
=May 15, 2000
Banded caps smithing out at 168.
No mention of cultural exists anywhere at this time.
http://web.archive.org/web/200011090...om/blacksmith/

Blacksmithing Recipe Added
=June 29, 2000
"Folded Sheet Metal"
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html
Folded Sheet Metal is not available from any vendors before or after this change.
It is important to note that Folded Sheet Metal is actually used for very little in crafting.

Recipes that eventually wound up using Folded Sheet Metal:
Large, Medium and Average size Targ Shields (standard blacksmithing)
Two Gnomish Tinkering recipes
An extremely small number of non-imbued cultural weapons and shields
This would be the earliest possible date for old cultural's existence found so far provided the recipe wasn't added later.

Pottery Recipes Added
=June 29, 2000
"Unfired Urn", "Onyx Encrusted Urn", and "Small Bowl"
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html

Poison Vials Vendor Available
=June 29, 2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000629.html

Fine Steel Plate Noted
<= Sept 15, 2000
http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/show...l=1#post230648

Tradeskill Specialization Added
=September 19, 2000
http://www.tski.co.jp/baldio/patch/20000919.html
*My tentative date for when old cultural was added*

Fine Plate Dyes Noted
<= Oct 3, 2000
Comments are it is recent
Allakhazam

Imbue Gem Spells Noted
<= Oct 4, 2000
Allakhazam
Comments are it is recent

Tempers Noted
<= Oct 4, 2000
Allakhazam
Comments are it is recent

Cultural Forges Noted
<= Oct 18, 2000
http://web.archive.org/web/200010181...ing/forges.asp

Knarmon's Guide Excerpt
dated Nov 13, 2000
Mentions that Fine Steel and Cabilis Scale [Iksar Cultural] are much more recent additions to smithing.

Scars of Vellious
=December 5, 2000

Has anyone else had luck in finding out when specific recipes went in? I have read that some were added later though it would appear that Brellium, Mithril, Adamantite, High Quality Ore, Northman, and Skyiron were on test in early September 2000, probably going live with the 9/19 patch that introduced tradeskill specialization.

[guineapig]

On live cultural recipes were added patch by patch over the course of Kunark and Velious.

I am fairly certain that wood elves and hobbits received their cultural tailoring in the fall of 2000 ahead of the other races. For example, erudite cultural tailoring was implemented a few months after Velious opened. Also, I almost hate to say it (put's on shin guards) but gnome cultural was the last to be implemented if I recall correctly.

Not sure how strict the server wants to be on these releases considering that the exact dates are nearly impossible to find but I guess we can piece it all together if we work as a team.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On live cultural recipes were added patch by patch over the course of Kunark and Velious.

I'm trying to dig up more stuff now...early mentions of anyone seeing anything related to the various cultures. Miles was pretty adamant about northman chain being in the game early, and that announcement I dug up showed that they had at least developed some of the plate recipes for various races about 4-5 months after Kunark.

One problem with how they released the new recipes is that they seem to have been on a completely discrete trajectory from the Kunark/Velious expansion timeline. That is, the fact that some were implemented prior to velious and some just after were not because they were waiting on velious to finish the work...it just happened that the work carried across the two expansions.

I would hope that if we can construct a good timeline of when all the recipes went in relative to the kunark release date, we could drop the velious "prerequisite" if it was shown that none of the recipes actually relied on velious-era items.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is, the fact that some were implemented prior to velious and some just after were not because they were waiting on velious to finish the work...it just happened that the work carried across the two expansions.

My thoughts exactly! I'm fairly certain they intended all this to be in the game with Kunark but were rushed to push the more importanmt content.
I would be happy to go through a bunch of the recipes and look for any Velious only drops (doubt I'll find any).

To be honest, for the purposes on the server, it would probably be easiest for the devs to just pick an arbitrary date and release all the recipes at once... or release them a week apart from each other 1 race at a time if we want to mimic the timeline. There really is absolutely nothing special about these items by the time Velious comes out.